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NOS 937/931 Rods

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Old 06-27-2017, 10:01 AM
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931.103.030.02 does not appear anywhere in PET.

There is no difference between 924 NA, 931, or 937 rods. They are all part number 046.198.401

It would be interesting to see the other side of that rod to see if it has the integral squirter. I have seen two sets of early 924 rods that did not have the squirter, which is a required feature for the turbo-charged applications.
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You don't have a 924 GTR parts directory do you? Of course they aren't in PET.
No, I do not have a GTR parts directory, and would love to add one to my documentation files, but they are (as I'm sure you must be aware) difficult to come by. To be clear, 937 designation applies to the Carrera GT (which IS listed in the standard PET) as well as the GTS, GTR, and GTP (none of which are in PET). You didn't specify GTR in your original post, you specified 931/937. So your post was ambiguous and imprecise.

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They were part of a parts lot purchased from Charles Coker. Peter Dawes and Freisinger have verified them as I tried to offer them to current owners of GTRs first.
If your intent was to reach GTR owners, this information would have been very useful to provide at the outset. I've had multiple conversations with Charles, so I know some of the stuff he has on hand.

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You a buyer or a history buff?
Take a look at my sig and decide for yourself. I've had the privilege to meet a number of GT/GTS/GTR/GTP owners all over the world through a couple of private forums. I might have been willing to help you, but your snide tone indicates you're not amenable to that, so good luck with the sale.
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Given how few gtrs exist this is likely a 931 or 937 owner building a hot rod or rep.
Agreed, and of whom I know many hundreds around the world.

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They are the target buyer, not someone who wants to troll a FS thread.
I hope you're not suggesting that my comments were trolling. If you are, I don't think that word memes what you think it memes.

I have an interest in these cars generally, and specifically in building my own collection, building my own engines, as well as helping my customers build highly modified 924- and 931-based engines.

Maybe it's just me, but I would think if you were interested in helping these rods find their way into such a project that you would be interested in listing and describing them as accurately as possible.

My apologies if you thought I was trolling. I don't recall calling you a name, nor disparaging your asking price. I did, however, question your description, and now we have a much better understanding of what's on offer. Thanks for the clarification and good luck with the sale.
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Well done Matt, you just piss off the guy that I would consider your most potential buyer.
Just for the record, I don't see anything wrong or out of line from ideola that would suggest trolling, your answer to him however is rude and way out of line.
I mean the guy is asking an honest question and you basically f@#$ him off.
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Parts are no longer for sale. They can sit for another 20 years for all I care. It's a FS thread. Well it was...
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Well done Matt, you just piss off the guy that I would consider your most potential buyer.
Just for the record, I don't see anything wrong or out of line from ideola that would suggest trolling, your answer to him however is rude and way out of line.
I mean the guy is asking an honest question and you basically f@#$ him off.
I tried to start a private conversation with said guy, to smooth things over, and he just ignored the PM and kept posting.
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Oh, i get it now...
You didn't know what they were, did you? My apologies for any misunderstanding. I took you for a troll. My bad.
This is your idea of a conciliatory gesture?
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This is your idea of a conciliatory gesture?
You are reading tone into something that's not there. My initial assumption was that you knew exactly what they were but failed to say so in your first post, instead making roundabout comments on it.

As the conversation progressed, it occurred to me that maybe you were looking at something unfamiliar to you, and I removed a somewhat ****ty post and sent you the PM. I think you are letting your anger bias the tone of what I said in that PM. It wasn't meant as snarky. If you want to continue to be offended so be it.

I've reported the thread and am moving on. I don't care enough about them finding a home to bother with the drama.
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I don't care enough about them finding a home to bother with the drama.
Just remember, you created that drama.
Also, the fact that you went and deleted your posts tell a lot.

It's too bad, sounds like you are sitting on part that few peoples would love to put their hands on. Only if you would have answered the questions at the start, they would probably be sold by now.
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This is why all FS forums here should be locked. So much OT BS from the peanut gallery.

The part number is still there in Dan's quote. It will come up on a search. If someone actually wants these instead of picking nits about project number designations they can figure out where they are. Plus I've always got Freisinger's offer. I just didn't want someone to pay his insane markup on them because he's got the only set of them in the world. I genuinely don't care how long they sit and was trying to put something out there a member of the community would be stoked to use.

If members want to demonize me because Dan and I had a misunderstanding there's not much I can do about it. I made a good faith attempt to dispell the drama but just don't have the patience for internet BS these days. Life's too short to bicker with strangers over what amounts to nothing of real consequence.
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Let's see, you immediately resorted to an ad hominem attack, called me a troll twice...once in public (now conveniently deleted) and once in private. Now why would I be offended.

Anyway, it was not my intent to start a ****storm. As noted, the part number doesn't appear in PET or in the SCCA program parts catalog, both of which I have. I am not aware of any publicly available parts list for the GTS, GTR, or GTP programs, but would LOVE to get my hands on one if such a thing even exists. Calling something a "937" part is less than useful, because it could apply to any one of the GT variants.

I do find it interesting that the part number is a 931 part number and not a 937 part number. I also find it interesting that the rods don't have an integral squirter, at least on the side of the rod in the photo above. It would be very interesting to everyone, I'm sure, to see a little bit more detail on these. If they are indeed GTR rods from the racing program, any interested buyer is going to want further photo documentation and more than a third-hand affirmation from a single source.

I also find it interesting that these found their way into Coker's stash, as all of my conversations with him were about the 933 / SCCA program, not the GTR program. There are a lot of possibilities about where these came from and what they were intended for, including potential parts stash from the Holbert racing program, which is where I understand Coker got most of his stuff from.

Aside from the purported "937" heritage, I'm not aware of anything about these rods that would make them special. According to Roy Smith's book, all of the 2.0L variants used the same stroke and bore. The 924/931 rods are quite stout, so if these were made from different material, or using a different forging process, that would be useful to know. Otherwise, in my humble opinion, they're just an overpriced piece of history that would do nothing for improving the performance of a high-end build other than the nostalgia factor.

But since you're taking your bat and going home, I suppose it's all moot now.
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Let's see, you immediately resorted to an ad hominem attack, called me a troll twice...once in public (now conveniently deleted) and once in private. Now why would I be offended.
Is your ego really that delicate? My PM says I took you for a troll. Maybe it should have said I mistook you for a troll. Regardless, it was an apology. Your continued refusal to accept it as such says more about you than me. Seriously Dan. Move on with your day.
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This is why all FS forums here should be locked. So much OT BS from the peanut gallery.
No surprise that I don't share that opinion. Disparaging members of the community by calling them names (troll, peanut gallery) is just bad form, and so far, you're the only one in this thread behaving in that fashion.

In my opinion, allowing members of the community to comment and help identify the authenticity and applicability of parts is one of the wonderful things about the internet. It's one of the things I appreciate and value from this community and other forums, as it weeds out the hucksters, flippers, and con artists. I hardly see how questioning the part number is off topic.

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The part number is still there in Dan's quote. It will come up on a search.
Actually, no, it doesn't come up in a search. There is only one result that comes up, and that is this very thread. I checked all the usual places when I first came across the thread, and was unable to id the part number. One reason this happens frequently is because people mistake the casting numbers on parts as the part number. They are not always the same. The only part number we've seen for these rods is something hand written on the newspaper in your photo. That's hardly conclusive evidence or validation of the claimed provenance of the part.
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Is your ego really that delicate?
Ad hominominominem.
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I'll take that as a yes. Some people live to be offended. Have a great day.
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Whoa you guys really care about these rods! Ha ha
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I thought most men were kind of attached to their rod...
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That's pretty funny right there!!
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