Painting a 928

cNicely · 06-01-2007, 07:40 AM

How much paint (quarts of base, quarts of clear, etc) is required to paint the 928? This goes out to anyone that has done it themselves.

I was wanting to bring some House of Kolor to a friend of mine and have him spray it on

Danglerb · 06-01-2007, 12:07 PM

cNice you aren't just jerking us around are you?

I'm parting out my 84 Euro mostly due to the paint job the previous owner got, F ing ruined the car.

cNicely · 06-01-2007, 12:16 PM

Nope, just unknowledgeable and trying to change it, nothing wrong with that.

Danglerb · 06-01-2007, 12:44 PM

Nothing wrong, its just that paint is serious business on 928, short of $3k to $7k it is very unlikely a respray will improve a car. You can go with "a 10 footer" and just respray every few years as it goes bad, but closer than 10 feet and it looks like yuck pretty quickly.

What are you looking to accomplish with painting the car, whats wrong with the paint now?

Whats the color and model year?

cNicely · 06-01-2007, 01:08 PM

Looking to possibly trade my current car for a 84' 928, owner is actually registered on these forums...

Paint is absolutely shot, in the process of being prepped for paint, so, its about halfway through being sanded down. I would not do a complete respray as the previous color was black and I would repaint it well, black.

Color as of right now- metal/primer/redfender/black

He says the engine and tranny are perfect, brand new tranny, 60,000 mile engine, very tempting, especially if I didn't have to pay for it. Major work (belt/tensioner/h20) done withing 5,000 miles.

I think the paint would turn out just fine, just need to know how much to buy :-D

Brian Felts · 06-01-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by cNicely
Looking to possibly trade my current car for a 84' 928, owner is actually registered on these forums...

Paint is absolutely shot, in the process of being prepped for paint, so, its about halfway through being sanded down. I would not do a complete respray as the previous color was black and I would repaint it well, black.

Color as of right now- metal/primer/redfender/black

He says the engine and tranny are perfect, brand new tranny, 60,000 mile engine, very tempting, especially if I didn't have to pay for it. Major work (belt/tensioner/h20) done withing 5,000 miles.

I think the paint would turn out just fine, just need to know how much to buy :-D

I paint as a side project to my real job. . The ammount you need will be based on the quality of paint used. For a complete respray using top of the line DuPont Chromabase I usually use 2 quarts..it mixes 1:1 makes a gallon.........using their lower line Nasan take 4 quarts. Same with PPG DBU Vs. PPG Omni. Check out my site, if you were close enough I would help you out!!

www.geocities.com/southernohioauto

cNicely · 01:22 PM

Located in cincinnati, you are about 2 hours away, not too bad at all.

PM'd

Brian Felts · 06-01-2007, 01:37 PM

If you want to, send some pics to sbfelts@roadrunner.com and I can give you a quote to do the paint. The best black is priced very well.

You can see the car I just finished at.

www.geocities.com/southernohioauto/yourcar

Brian

Danglerb · 06-01-2007, 02:09 PM

Sorry cN, I think my first response was, EEEK, he doesn't know how much paint he needs, why is he messing with the paint? Its something I would think the person painting would be specifying.

Jimmy I think you know by now that I ask a lot of very dumb questions, but that really precludes me from any intentional mischief.

As a buyer I see new paint, tires, AC recharge all as warning signs, because it can hide problems that won't show up for a few weeks or months. New paint done less than perfect makes me walk away faster than anything else. Are you sure the person you plan to trade with wants it repainted?

On the non clear coat colors like black you can get away with stuff you can't on all the metallics, but its still something I would not want done on a car I was buying.

rhjames · rhjames's Garage

While I really don't believe in dumb questions, Danglerb, you put yourself right in the middle of that statement------

How many gallons of paint does it take to paint a 928?

As many as you want to use------or in most cases, however many you can afford to pay for.

I've seen restorations that used 15 gallons of primer/paint/clearcoat and when finished the paint looked so good you'd swear it was still wet. In fact, it was so good, you could put your finger in it and seemingly never find the metal underneath the paint.

I've seen others that used 2 gallons total, and it looked OK for 6 months and peeled right off in the first windstorm.

You should ask yourself, do I want a concours car, or just a hotrod.

No one can answer that except yourself and your wallet.

Just remember that Henry Ford used a paint brush and only black paint when building his Model T's. It's all they had at the time.......

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Brian Felts · 06-03-2007, 02:05 AM

As a painter I would have to say NO NO to the 15 gallon statement. The more material you use the more prone to cracking. The higher quality paint you use the less you needs also. I just finished a 502 Chevelle and painted under the (trunk,hood, front Clip and took off all of the doors and painted inside of them.....Using the best DuPont had I used

2 Qts. High build epoxy primer
1 Gallon Chroma Base Black 1 Gal of Base maker Mixes 1to1
1 Gallon Chromaselect Clear

I has some left over, manufacturer's call for only 2 coats of clear over their bast to qualify for their warranty 4 Coats is awesome and anything past that is a waste. I had leftover after four coats on car as a large as a Chevelle.

Check it out www.gecities.com/southernohioauto/pastjobs

Brian

Danglerb · 06-03-2007, 03:25 AM

This is a case of nuts to the third power.

Porsche owners are nuts.
928 owners are the nuttiest of Porsche owners.
Paint is the subject they are the nuttiest about.

add to that ...

928 are not easy to paint, half aluminum, half galvanized steel.
928 rubber is expensive to replace, apparently impossible to mask off and paint "around" well, and has many spots for trouble with paint to show up and grow at panel edges etc.
928's have some of the nicest factory paint. I have never seen a respray I liked better than factory paint after a couple years.

Wow, I am up too late, rant and ramble combined, but not sure what I was getting at except caution when thinking about painting a 928.

OTOH if you want to show your skill as a painter, what better canvas than a 928?

Brian Felts · 06-03-2007, 03:44 AM

I love to paint because as far as artistic talent I have none.....but when it comes to a spray gun it does not matter. I am glad to be a part of the nuttiest Porsche owners I am good and nutty myself.

For autobody info I learned so much from

http://autobodystore.com/forum/index.php in their forums, Len the owner takes a lot of time to walk people through tough spots etc. its good reading.

Brian

Mule · 06-03-2007, 09:03 AM

Now tell us about port tuning again RH. Jack of all trades, master of?

Danglerb · 06-03-2007, 12:54 PM

Artistic talent is knowing what you want and getting something as a result that is close to it. Seems to me painting a car really well is less about spraying it on, than sanding it off. Spraying it on is about don't F U. Making it pretty is about what you do before and after spraying it on.

Brian Felts · 06-03-2007, 01:18 PM

well said, its all in the prep...............I can put a run the size of Texas in the finish clear and all I do is use flattening tools and wet sand, just don't break through!!

Brian

rhjames · rhjames's Garage

Again Mule doesn't read-----

I offered no expertese on painting, only the comment that I had seen many different applications and their results.....

Again, it's his car---his money. Who cares at this point?

This is really getting petty.

If you really want to READ a good article about paint jobs, pick up this month's HOTROD and check out the Falcon paint roller job they did.....Truly amazing.

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rhjames · rhjames's Garage

Brian----

what Dupont paint did you use?

Have you ever tried Martin Senor Nitram?

We did a comparison between Dupont Imron and Nitram and found that the Nitram has has 100% more resilient, and cost less as well.

(Sprayed two pieces of sheetmetal---same prep on each, same application pressures, same spray applications, etc.....After drying time of 8 hours, the Imron would crack when the metal as bent back a forth, the Nitram did not. Imron faded much faster than Nitram did in a similar test.)

These tests were done decades ago, and there have been improvements in the Imron product.

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Mule · 06-03-2007, 07:31 PM

I do read!!!
"While I really don't believe in dumb questions, Danglerb, you put yourself right in the middle of that statement------

How many gallons of paint does it take to paint a 928?

As many as you want to use------or in most cases, however many you can afford to pay for.

I've seen restorations that used 15 gallons of primer/paint/clearcoat and when finished the paint looked so good you'd swear it was still wet. In fact, it was so good, you could put your finger in it and seemingly never find the metal underneath the paint.

I've seen others that used 2 gallons total, and it looked OK for 6 months and peeled right off in the first windstorm.

You should ask yourself, do I want a concours car, or just a hotrod.

No one can answer that except yourself and your wallet."

We agree that you offer no expertise, only foolish statements about your vast knowledge & sudo experience. Your statements do imply that you have some knowledge of the subject at hand but it appears to be all wrong.

The dog knew this too!

rhjames · rhjames's Garage

Yeah, I have some experience in some things. So what? I never purported to be an expert in anything, nor will I. I have always stated this.

That being said, I can however read. I read your statement, did the proper research to not only understand the language of the statement and its context, but then presented an argument to it (as you presented it) and you finally relented that I was correct in my position.

Why is it so difficult for you to let go of this? You continue to discount my experience, but you offer none of your own. I am not a book educated person, I have no degrees to display on the wall, but I am educated enough to admit when I am wrong, and then go about understanding where the inadequacies are (in my own research). I then work to correct those issues and go about learning something new.

You remind of the thousands of wanna-be executives that their parents put through college, and then when you got into the real world of business you could not even arrange to ship a letter by FedEx. You had to have your secretary do it, because your MBA got in the way. How sad......

you have experience in making sudo apologies, and then continue on a diatribe of nothingness. Is this how you treat your (supposed) employees?

Yes, I am a truck driver. I also own and operate my business. Am I successful? You're damn right. Is it a difficult job? Yes it is. Do I enjoy it? You're damn right. Do I provide a service that is appreciated by my clients? Yes I do, and I have a wall full of accolades to go with it.

You're still wrong on both of your theories.

And you'll probably go on about it long after I've left this idiocy.....

Foolish statements? You've made your share.....Continuing to put me down just makes you look foolish.

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