need help on a 1984 928

[rgmrgm]

i am looking at a 1984 928 for sale with 34000 original miles. the vin is wpozzz92zes840810 it was imported by wallace env labs of houston. it is being sold as is to the highest bidder. all i can do is visually inspect it and was told it does not start. body and interior are in good condition trans is automatic and i dont see anything missing in the engine compartment. any idea on a value

[sjfarbs]

A non-running 84' 928S, more specifics are needed to asses of course, non-running meaning it cranks? No crank? Dies????...................could be any number of issues, search the forum and you will be able to get an idea of the culprits that would cause a non running 928. If it has been sitting for multiple years, you need to flush the fuel from the tank and lines and get some fresh fuel in there before you do anything.

Value, well I am sure you will get a few different answers on that one
It could be as simple as a dirty/broken ground, battery, relay (that is most common culprit for a non-starter), etc.....

Oh yeah value..............non running $400-$800 IMO.

928's like to be driven, not sat. A sitting non-running 928 will cost you $$$$$ to get it right.

If you are prepared for that, then jump in with both feet!!!

If you want a daily driver, keep looking on the forum (Rennlist also) there are 928 owners who will offer their personal "well" maintained examples for a very fair price IMO.

[Fabio421]

That is a euro Vin. Should be a twin distributor Euro S engine w/ 310 HP. Of course, the fact that it doesn't run and is an auto is a bummer. I cannot tell you what the value would be without pics. The fact that it doesn't run should scare away alot of buyers so the price should stay low.

[Danglerb]

A clean original 34k mile 84 Euro with no issues could be worth $10k. Starting from that and working down;

Does it have clean title?
Has it been registered in Calif (if not, forget Calif zero people have succeeded).
Does it have documentation to support 34k miles like a complete service hsitory and import papers showing original Euro miles before the new US speedometer?
Is it clean and original?
Is it a Euro with all the Euro engine parts, cams, intake, etc. many have been swapped for cheaper US parts.
Whats really wrong with it, does not start is total BS for condition unknown.

I bought my 84 Euro automatic for $2750 over a year ago, almost have it parted out. Recently an 85 Euro auto failed to sell at auction for less than $2k.

Final question, why do you want a Euro?

Final thought, never buy a 928 without a thorough inspection by somebody that REALLY knows the 928. If this car were to check out well, value is maybe $3k to $6k depending on the details, but being "worth" that much doesn't always mean it would be smart to buy and drive.

OTOH anybody that loves the 928 and fails to buy any really nice example that crosses their path will kick themselves in the butt over it for eternity.

[Danglerb]

I just made a couple quick checks;

No Calif registration history.

Autocheck shows 7 records
Carfax shows 8 records
If your serious about the car you should order both reports.

VIN is actually WP0ZZZ92ZES840810 the letter "oh" isn't used only zero.

[rgmrgm]

thanks for the help, it has a va clear title, silver in color, if it is a give away i might try to get it i go to this auction quite often and older euro cars don't get much attention.

[rgmrgm]

i have some more info. i inspected the car today it has the dual distributor, good tires, interior is in good shape, seats show no wear. the only damage to the interior is the vinyl is lifting on the rear storage cover. body has no dents or dings. previous owner informed the seller that the drive train is in good condition but the car has some "electrical" issues. car is silver with black leather interior. what should i bid?

[Danglerb]

This isn't a car you are going to make a nice bit of money on by fixing and selling it, so its all about how much do you like it as a car to drive yourself.

If you like the car, bid to win. $5k or more in first year repairs makes your likely auction bid kind of irrelevant. Unless somebody knows a lot more about the car than we do $2k or so should buy it.

[sjfarbs]

You have already stated the car does not run, so it is a roll of the dice.
I agree the Euro 84 is a must have, especially if it is a 5 speed!!!!

But you still are unsure of what lurks beyond the "no start" issue.
Why is it at auction? The PO said the drive train is good and all it has are electrical issues??? They why dump it at auction?

Maybe the "no start" is simple, maybe not............what's next?
You will need to be sure of the TB and WP, suspension (if not driven I suspect cracked boots all the way around), Motor Mounts, Tranny..................all things that if the car sat; need to be addressed.

I agree with dangler, you should buy this car because of the favorable Euro and what it looks like inside and out...........but be prepared to dig into issue after issue until the car is sorted out...........time and money.

So that is the worst case, maybe you luck out and you get a best case, who knows....................do you like to go to Vegas and gamble? If so, the dangler is right, $2k should take this car and maybe $5k to sort it out.

I on the other hand hate Vegas and gambling!!!! So I would bid supper low $600-$900 and see what happens.

Just my .928 cents!!!


Either way, keep us posted!!!!

[Danglerb]

First post says its an automatic, and my personal view is that the lower torque and higher power band of the Euro motor makes a US model a better choice with an automatic, and a nice US 85 auto is "maybe" $5k, often less.

I'd say the key thing on this car to my mind is that I doubt its really 34k miles or without substantial needed repairs.

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VERY often the best deals go to someone who has more carefully inspected and researched the item, even if "they weren't supposed to open it etc.".

No offense intended, but I didn't get squat of real information out of your "more info" post. Appraising the value of a 928 is all about the details, and it is critically important to be able to see past a nice detail job.

Is the paint original?
Take a HARD look from about 6 inches away at all of the rubber trim and seams in the sheet metal for a mark or paint line.

Dash and pod?
Learn to spot a cheap cover, look closely for any cracks or warping.

Everything needs a close inspection, and some things that look good can be BAD. First glance a clean engine seems nice, but if its clean from using a power washer on it all of the electrical connections could have water damage.

PICTURES.
When I look over a car for someone I take about 50 pictures showing all the details I can.

[rgmrgm]

it brought 1400. i got out at 600. the high bidder intends to protest because the vehicle description in the auction sheet did not state that the vehicle was originally a euro and had the speedo changed at some point in it's life. it will probably be back in the next auction. the car was last registered in 06 and had not been detailed for this sale

[sjfarbs]

Thanks for the update!!!

It is very hard to give advise on a car's value without ever actually seeing it!!!
I think you were right to get out at $600.

I have seen a number of nice examples come up for sale of late. I think if you are patient you can find a very nice 16v for $3500-$5000 or even a 32v $7500-$10000 (non gts) from a member of the 928 forums. That way you know what you are getting and what will need to be done.

It sure would have been pretty cool though to grab that one up for $600 and even if it never got back to a DD, learning how to take it apart and put it back together!

[N2O-SHARK]

A non running Euso S still yields a set of cams, heads, intake and throttle body. All of which will yield an easy $1500 on ebay.

Then start parting out other pieces. With the interior described in good shape, $600 was a low bid IMO.

[Danglerb]

Bleh, I now now declare myself disgusted with this thread.