help buying my first 928

911ballin · 09-14-2010, 05:14 PM

oK I save 8k dollres to buy my first 928 I read a little about them i know that gts is best(out of my budget)
I have good friend has 78 and he is mechanic and is having issues with cis injection , so
I find locally here oregon a nice 83 S 5 speed 2 owners 102k 7k dollars ,, brown dar tan interior, no dash cracks ,
So wonderiing I read in one magazine 4 years ago article about 928s exelents i thin they recommend the first years models or older as s4 ,, not sure about this 83 what kind of hp it has or is if in fact a good year!!

Fabio421 · 09-14-2010, 05:33 PM

They are all good years. For 8k you could buy a very nice early 32 valve ( 1985-86) car.

911ballin · 09-14-2010, 05:52 PM

so this 83 us version? what engine has? 4.5? how many hp?
it is injetcted motronic right? so is really reliable not nightmare of tunning and issues?
i read the tranny manula in 928 has issues in syncros right? how huch is dealer charge to fix those or are simple and any shop can fix syncros?
how is gas miles in this car andwhat is lifspan of this 928 are 200k 180k ??thanks

Xlot · 09-14-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 911ballin

so this 83 us version? what engine has? 4.5? how many hp?
it is injetcted motronic right? so is really reliable not nightmare of tunning and issues?
i read the tranny manula in 928 has issues in syncros right? how huch is dealer charge to fix those or are simple and any shop can fix syncros?
how is gas miles in this car andwhat is lifspan of this 928 are 200k 180k ??thanks

Early 32V versions in the USA are model years 1985 and 1986. They have a 5.0L engine.

Sounds like you should hav a good read of this page - it covers which versions were when:

Porsche 928 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Z Driver 88T · 09-14-2010, 08:12 PM

I'd use this as a decent checklist go-by. Its written for the S4s but most would be applicable..

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911ballin · 09-14-2010, 08:29 PM

i think this car is 83 engine lloks like early cars 78 with crest porsche in mittle of engine??? is 83 motronic injected? I don't wwant cis ?

Danglerb · 09-14-2010, 11:39 PM

CIS is ok, gets poor mpg, has the lowest power, but generally is reliable as long as no junk gets in the fuel and the car is frequently driven. Once its fouled up, even a tiny bit, many costly items generally will be replaced before it is running properly again.

Ljet is very reliable, but has little or no tuning ability. MPG is better than CIS, but power is only slightly higher.

In 1985 model year manual transmissions get a much better syncro and the motors are 32v with LHjet injection. Power is stepped up nicely, with easy improvements.

1987 S4 starts, body style changes in front and rear, LHjet goes from 2.2 to 2.3 which is much more advanced including knock detection, but cams go to a less aggressive better mpg profile.

Dealer service could easily eat that $8k budget in the first trip, you need to find a good mechanic or become one.

*** I don't think you should buy until MANY more questions are answered and you see and drive a few different 928's.

Landseer · 01:55 AM

Most $4K to $10K cars I see on ebay / CL are way, way overpriced.
Don't gauge by those ads. Really.

Most look to me like they would need minimum $3K parts, more likely $5K, just to make suspension / brakes / drive train reliable.
These figures are not make believe.

911ballin · 09-15-2010, 08:11 AM

thanks alot so how much will be reasonable price on 83 manula not dash problems perfect ineterio perfec paint 100k miles originals??? in today market!
what will same 86 year car cost in todays market?

how many hp has the 83 with lh letronic?????
how mcuh difficult is repace sincro in the tranny

911ballin · 09-15-2010, 02:22 PM

what you guys think about this car for 8k is little over price or is fine!

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Danglerb · 09-15-2010, 03:42 PM

Its just guessing without a professional detailed inspection. The top "real" bid on the ebay car was $5250, so that is a fair guess on its value.

83 US with Ljet is 234 crank and about 180 rwhp.

Rebuilt transmissions are about $2k from a few sources, plus shipping and R&R.

911ballin · 09-15-2010, 04:59 PM

ON THE S4 I call eaby owner he said less will take for car is 8k, but ssems need paint clear coat is bad seat are worn and tubing rip, dash craced he metion the issue with electrica climate module, or son the is continus on and drain battery is this REAL???ISSUS WITH S4 can just scare me there!!!! and 1455k miles not sure will be fare price 8k or jsut too much!

Xlot · 09-15-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 911ballin

ON THE S4 I call eaby owner he said less will take for car is 8k, but ssems need paint clear coat is bad seat are worn and tubing rip, dash craced he metion the issue with electrica climate module, or son the is continus on and drain battery is this REAL???ISSUS WITH S4 can just scare me there!!!! and 1455k miles not sure will be fare price 8k or jsut too much!

Given the paint and interior issues, he likely won't get more than about $6-7k for the car.

Your best option is to keep looking until you find a car that is in good cosmetic (paint and interior) shape.. and plan to do your own wrenching.

Reading more in the meantime before you spend your money will likely save you a lot of money too.

gbgastowers · gbgastowers's Garage

[QUOTE=Danglerb;5561614] Once its fouled up, even a tiny bit, many costly items generally will be replaced before it is running properly again.

Can you list these items/problems that need attention. Gunar

Danglerb · 09-16-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danglerb

Once its fouled up, even a tiny bit, many costly items generally will be replaced before it is running properly again.

Can you list these items/problems that need attention. Gunar

I'm not a CI$ expert, haven't owned one in more than 30 years, I mostly watch and laugh from the sidelines now.

The short answer is almost everything that touches the fuel except the fuel tank. The catch is while its working, many parts can be weak or barely functional, but when its time to fix things essentially everything needs to work to make all the adjustments correctly.

Fuel pump a little tired, some of the control items a bit gunked up, poor injector flow, regulators leaking, and the car may still run, just not well.

Best case, I can't see getting real money into a CI$ car without a good rebuilt WUR, fuel distributor, new or cleaned injectors, and all new rubber hoses, vacuum, and breather hoses.

Worst case add, new fuel pump, all new dampeners and regulators, all new hard lines, essentially anything the fuel touches.

911ballin · 09-16-2010, 10:41 AM

ok thanks here is other car i was interest until ii found out asking buying price of 9k dollares thats is over price i think even when car is cesal but what is real value of this car know is old ltronic car with syncors worn out 1 and 2 as seeel describe over phone! to me
and little oil leak,,, WAJT WILL BE DE REAL PRICE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS 7-8K????????

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Landseer · 09-16-2010, 04:51 PM

Why is your spelling and grammar so bad?

Danglerb · 09-16-2010, 06:20 PM

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WAJT WILL BE DE REAL PRICE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS 7-8K????????

Porsche : 928: eBay Motors (item 220668576821 end time Sep-19-10 13:23:17 PDT)

Seller descriptions don't have much value. To know the value you need to have professional inspection by someone that is an absolute expert in 928's, and typically takes about 3 hours of shop time, with maybe an hour of that up on a lift.

Ebay car mileage doesn't jive, my guess is that its either mileage unknown or 171k.

VIN:WP0JB0928DS860435
Last Odometer Reading:106736 miles reported Dec-06-2000

Title: 928S Porsche rare 5-speed
Mileage: 71,045 miles

Also many of the repairs are time dependent, a timing belt done more than 5 years ago needs to be done again right away.

Could be a wonderful car, one of mine is a US 83 5 spd and I've only spent about $12k so far fixing it up.

911ballin · 09-16-2010, 09:07 PM

ok can you let me knwo where you check miles , casue owner swear the car is low miles periot he said!!!!
where you check it, please let me know taht way i will check other s4 i looking at!

Mrmerlin · 09-17-2010, 07:35 AM

at this point the mileage isnt as important as service history and how the car runs and drives.
If you find a S4 with peeling intake and cam covers then figure its gonna need about 2500.00 in work to refresh the intake and cam covers and the parts beneath them.

Why is your spelling and grammar so bad?