I don't know waht to do 951 crazzy

[ketchum951]

Hi I own this 944turbo 1986 with 99k for 6 month I already spend 3 k in things like new wide head gasket belts water pump, last thing was last week 350 of labor for install alternator !what a rip off! any way
I already spend all this money and can't enjoy the car.
Car is acting really weird after30 Miles nice driving I pull in gas station and when I try to start it no crank at all!any way try and try nothing we push it and it start -I took it to shop just to check battery and it was good! So running car I drive 20 miles back home and car act really weird like loosing power, you push gas nothing and the we get power again , feels like like not spark for combustion, for laps of time even car almost die couple times I don't know what to think I already speed allot of money I want now sale the car to someone that works in this type of cars but I can not sale it like that
My questions is if it could be the speed reference sensors bad ?
can someone help me ! how you can know speed reference sensors are bad or good , I was thinking buy new starter new reference sensors and new tps sensor! this is my engine

[soxnail]

First of all slow down. Not your speed but your rush to replace parts.
1) if your speed or reference sensors were bad you would not get the car to run at all, push start or not.
2) TPS maybe.... but you have done no trouble shooting yet or at least you have not posted it.
So start with the motor not turning over. If the battery is good then look at the leads especially the grounds. Check out the relays, connectors to the starter and see if you are getting power and gnd to the starter. If all that is good you may have a bad starter or gear.
Once you get the car starting you can look at the lack of power. It could be the TPS or it could be the air flow metering. Build a blink test LED and hook it up to see what your car is telling you.
Link http://www.lindseyracing.com/Mercha..._Code=BLINKCODE

[NeoRules]

soxnail....
The link you posted doesn't work for me...
Can you repost it?
JC

[nize]

try this one;
http://tinyurl.com/ypt6vx

[ketchum951]

let me add the set up of car is k27 #6 38 dial wast gate, chips ,3 inch strait exhaust 5speed, 3 br FPR .Thanks !I order new starter becuase I noted it few past days ago when I try start car it will sound not good !when die to me the starter not even crack was like dead-- I will test the codes , also noted my tps is missing the tab!that that mean any thing ,
-how you can test tps is good?
I install a 3b FPR but I guess car runs little rich !you can see black carbon in muffler1 will be better install stock FPR or is better run rich that lead? here is my engine again

[soxnail]

Thanks Nize...
ketchum951 post a picture of your TPS..don't know what tab you are talking about.
If the car is chipped then the 3 bar fpr must have come with the chips ?? if so then leave it in there. Soot in the muffler does mean rich so you may want to go back to stock chips and stock fpr. This will get you a starting point.
There is a good write up at Clark's garage for the tps.
Link
http://www.clarks-garage.com/
Sox
Ps. Neo this one works

[dogslovetrucks]

Cam reference sensor would be my guess

[ketchum951]

Ok I did the code read thing it didn't bring any code , when I test drive car for 30 minutees but car runs good all the time! anyhow
I getting crazy I couldn't sleep last night thinking what can be wrong with it !I live in Small tow non mechanic the only mechanic Porsche is in big city 4 hrs Way and he is old he has car for 1 month coudn't find the problem! car run great but always after 30 45 minutees start the weird thing happen I can see is not turbo or waste-gate problem because turbo has less thn 2k and wast-gate same I think is some sensor !not working 100% witch one ????for example going in 4 gear 65m/h can feel car trying to die the lights in dash pop on like brake and all lights up , you put 3 geart copression and car start and keep going maybe good for 1 minutee and then bad again and like that! you park car let it 3 hrs and it run good again until 45 minute and ba again!!!
Someone told me change the dme temp sender !is cheap I $25.0
other toldd me replace coil he belive when warms up dose'nt work good! my tps is missing the cover (so you can see the wires there )how can I test this things toi make conclution !what else could be doing that to car!!!!please help
pd my ari fitler box is all loose and ir filter really dirty I bought new one and new air filter could these things causing the problem or part of it??

[soxnail]

Relax..it will get fixed.
Don't worry about the turbo or the waste gate etc. That is not your problem. Bad DME sensor can cause car to run poorly but not the symptoms you are describing.
When you say the lights come on is it while the car is in gear and rolling ? or is it when you put in the clutch and the engine dies so the lights come on like the ignition switch was on but the engine was not running. Also the fact that the TPS is broken open is not good but your description is some thing else. You will need to fix the TPS (replace).
Answer these questions:
1) Does the car always run when you first start it from cold ?
2) Does it always die in 45 or so minutes?
3) If it dies then can you turn the engine over with the starter?
4) If so does the car start again? or do you have wait for 3 hours ?
5) Did you replace the air filter and a new housing for it? (this is not your current problem but it will need to be done)
6) do you have a camera to take pictures in specific area of the car and post them?
Sox

[nize]

wow, you should learn to use correct spelling, punctuation, grammar, and paragraphs to make your posts easier to read. i got all confused just trying to figure out what you were trying to say.

i would definitely replace the tps with a brand-new one if the cover was missing.

also, don't just replace parts without knowing what the problem was, or things will get expensive quickly.

[ketchum951]

ok thanks alot yes the car is dosn't strat I waiting for new starter !I push car with a friend in second gear start fine ! but the starter was making noise couple weeks ago !and lately you can hear it try to turn but like not good! any wayI will try answer you questions
Answer these questions:
1) Does the car always run when you first start it from cold ?sometimes one or two but it turn kind of ruff for 10 seconds and smoke alwasy at starts I guess too rich!
2) Does it always die in 45 or so minutes?not exact but I will said I make trip 3 hrs from mechnic here last time after first hrs problmes start but I made it ofcousre crs died couple times in stop lights
3) If it dies then can you turn the engine over with the starter? no
4) If so does the car start again? or do you have wait for 3 hours ?I can get it going by rolling(i have to strat new starter
5) Did you replace the air filter and a new housing for it? (this is not your current problem but it will need to be done)no still not instal but I have them
6) do you have a camera to take pictures in specific area of the car and post them?I yes any place you want !Thanks for be so helpfull
Sox [/B][/QUOTE]

[soxnail]

Ok how good are you at doing stuff with the car..
1) to work on the electrical parts, wiring and sensors etc. ?
2) to work on line hoses and air/vacuum stuff ?
3) general nut/bolts parts replacement ?
Also
1) take a picture of the TPS (broken side).
2) take a picture of the reference and speed sensor connectors. (If you don't know where they are I will post a pic to point you in the right place).
Finally starting the car by pushing it to a rolling start and popping the clutch is not a good idea. Its ok in an emergency once or twice but not recommended. So wait till your starter gets there install it and get the engine turning over properly before doing more work. (push starting will damage the trans axle, CV joints and transmission).
Sox

[ketchum951]

I can work in car before I did fix bmw cluster , fix my sunroof , change brake in my audi So not talent bt will love to try I can take it slow and get it--I will take Picture of tps, about the reference sensors I will wait until starter arrive and when mechanic have car in crane so I will post Picts!becuse I don't have crane or jack stands I don't know if is way go under car park and Pict them? you said at beginning sensors where bad car will not start moving or stop!but it run pushing it!will bad sensor speed cause dropping mixture when driving? I will buy a new dma relay and new coolant sensor for dna cheap 45 both ! to see if that help situation, !then I can take sparks plugs off and Picture the but they where new about 500 miles again we gap them good!I didn't buy bosch , we put ngk!!

[soxnail]

Don't buy DME relay or DME temp sensor, even if it is cheap. Wait for the starter to be put in. The reference and speed sensor connectors are on top. I will post pic of where they are.
You cannot start trouble shooting till the car is turning over.
In the mean time if you must buy something replace the TPS and also the air filter and the air box.
Goto Clark's garage and read up on testing the air flow sensor and make sure it is working. http://www.clarks-garage.com/
To recap:
Don't buy DME relay and DME sensor yet.
Buy and replace the TPS that has exposed wiring.
replace the air box and filter since you say it is broken.
leave the plugs alone right now.
Make sure the air flow meter is working. (Clark's)
Don't keep push starting the car !!
You need to take this step by step. If you get into shotgun trouble shooting (replacing a lot of parts without testing and trouble shooting) you will waste a lot of money and not get the car where you want it.
Finally break down your posting into bullet items and don't run your words and thoughts together so I can understand it better.

[soxnail]

This is where the speed and reference sensor connectors are. In the picture you can see one, but they both look the same. You need to disconnect them and clean out the connectors using some form of electronic connector cleaner. Then put them back together making sure they are firmly seated together.

[Eric 951]

Hi! i am alina. i banned from forum 3 times but come back with crazy problem. i make many insult for z-man and pelican. my turbo944 make super fast fun time drive. i move to idaho and post again for pelican.i like ajajajajajajajajajajaj and sell same car on autotrader for 2 times.

beat it alina

[ketchum951]

Sir with all your respect I don't know who is alibina, my name is Fernado Scario mexican-amercian sorry my english is not that good !but is enought hard to me write about the problems in my car try to fix it ! thanks god mr Soxnail is really ice person is try help me I will recoment you do the same if you can! ketchum Idaho is city where I live!

[soxnail]

I don't know whats going on here, but I firmly believe in taking people on their face value. So if some one is playing games it on them..As far as helping people on this board I will try to do so if I can. So..
Any way ketchum951 did you do what I asked in my last post if so please post results.

"To recap:
Don't buy DME relay and DME sensor yet.
Buy and replace the TPS that has exposed wiring.
replace the air box and filter since you say it is broken.
leave the plugs alone right now.
Make sure the air flow meter is working. (Clark's)
Don't keep push starting the car !!
You need to take this step by step. If you get into shotgun trouble shooting (replacing a lot of parts without testing and trouble shooting) you will waste a lot of money and not get the car where you want it.
Finally break down your posting into bullet items and don't run your words and thoughts together so I can understand it better. "
Please respond to the above.
Sox

[ketchum951]

Thanks Sox I did read the post in clarks all afertnoon and really help I check the AFM and is ok I little dirty I bought special electrical cleaner ! Sorry I had to go 35 miles to Radio Shack and didn't have time to pic of Throttle sensor but I will take good ones in morning I will be posting them! I also have couple other items found unplug in car !I don't know what they are but will get nice pics in day light tomorrow and take shots of that also! back in reading of clarks I found the Throttle body fails there really similar to what I got !but also the dma faults also seems really also like what I have . I call pelican this afternoon and order brand new tps sensor is in way, that was all I bought by now ! the starter still in way was ship ground from atlanta will be like 5 more days, I crazy want to take mechanic to instal it(by the way how many hrs it can take install starter?? jut to spect how much I will get charge ) another guy around here told me the problem was alternator 2 weeks ago make me buy new on and charge me 340 just for labor he said 3 hrs job >is that true .I guess I got rip off there ! anyway I will be posting pics you asked and again Thanks alot>

[soxnail]

Hold off on the alternator. In fact don't buy anything till the starter is in and working. Replace the TPS that is fine.
You can replace the starter yourself in about 2 hours. Again see Clark's site for info on how to do it.
Your english is improving
Sox