Original Wheel Replacement Question

[bleachii]

Hello,

Looking to replace stock rims on '91 C2 Targa. Looks like we are going with the Bilstein/H&R (not sure about red/green yet) combination to lower the car as well around the same time. Any issue with going to 18" rims in general or with this combination?

I found Veloce 3.6 Wheels PORSCHE Turbo Cup rims on eBay and at face value they have the look we are after but I'm just beginning to do my homework and I'm not yet sure about wheel/tire sizes in combination with lowering the car. Also not sure about quality of the rims. These are the rims:

Veloce 3.6 Wheels PORSCHE Turbo Cup 911 964 993 996 944 | eBay

Thanks!

[bleachii]

Before anyone gets to answering my question I did find this:

http://www.porsche964.co.uk/technical/964%20wheels%20and%20tyres.pdf

Based on what I am reading I'm going to stick with 16" or 17" rims. Looks like you can make 18" work but I would rather stick with what's considered normal.

I know there are a ton of wheel question threads already but many are old and the ability to get various wheel types changes over the years. I've checked tire rack and the choices appear to be minimal. Are there other good sources I should know about?

[group911@aol.co]

Advertise on the parts board. You'll get tons of response.

[Opo]

I just installed H&R greens on my 1990 c4 and I love it, now on the veloce wheels, I have a set of the black ones, the only thing about the wheels that I don't like it's that the bolts come off the wheel easy, they are plastic and they are glued, other than that I think the wheels are ok for their price

[LARRY SHARP]

17 inch tires which fit our cars are less popular than 18 inch rims in the marketplace. They are out there but the choices for 18's are far greater.

[bleachii]

Thanks for the responses. Think I would need to see the 18's on a car in person to know whether or not I like the look. The wheels I am drawn to appear to be the Porsche 'Turbo' wheels. Not the twists but the 964 turbo 5 star look with the bolts.

Not sure what years these were made but they are not available any longer from what I have found so far. They look like the wheels on Dr. Knaufs white 964 in the photos thread. Picture on page 33 of that thread.

We are talking with Wheel Enhancements in LA and he has a reasonable selection but some of the options are very expensive going into the 3k-4k range.

On a good note the Bilstein's arrived last night and H&R's coming on TH from Shox.com. The car has an appointment on Friday for them to be installed, alignment and corner balanced. Once we get the wheels in place wife.com will be stoked as this is for her car

[Cemoto]

On my way to work the other day I saw this GR cab out in front of the trim shop. I stopped and snapped a pic. These are the wheels you said you didn't like, but they are 18".

In. person, in my opinion, they didn't look quite right, somewhat awkward. They look great in the picture, but over-sized and awkward in person.

As far as roadworthyness, I cannot attest.

Regards,

[Cobracarrera]

Like stated before...18 inch wheels are fine....Much more selection available then 17 inch wheels.

They fit inside the fender well nicely... (I just need to lower my car a bit)

I just sold these off my 1990 C2 (RH Wheels) I am thinking of the Veloce Wheels in the future as well.







Hope these pictures help a bit....

[sml]

I think those Veloce wheels are super-heavy .. if that has any impact to your decision.

[bleachii]

Thanks for all the responses. Cobra, a bit confused. Are the rims the same on both of those vehicles or is the vehicle and wheels the same but with the wing added? Are you saying they are 18" rims as well? They are right in line with what we are looking for.

BTW, based on discussions with Shox.com H&R no longer has green/red options. They have one color (dark blue). Our shop installed them last week and they would only lower the car about a half inch. In order to properly align and corner balance the car they could not go lower (without suffering ride quality and/or severe tire wear).

We have decided to install camber plates on the front to give them a bit more play with the camber which will allow the car to go lower (looking at a full 1" drop). The rear of the car was fine in terms of lowering so camber plates were not necessary in back. The camber plates should arrive on Tuesday. I'll post some before/after pics when done. This has been a bit more effort than I imagined!

[bleachii]

Are these them Cobra? Expensive suckers!

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[pantera]

bleachii, I have 3 sets of wheels for my 964. Just recently purchased a set of 18"s. I've been running the 17"s for quite some time. The 18's will give you a much more responsive feel but the down side is they will also give you a less compliant ride given the lower profile tires and higher air pressures you need to run them. There is also a slight wagon wheel effect that is magnified with non lowered cars.

I have not run into any problems as far as choosing any type of tire in the 17" selection. They are also quite a bit cheaper to purchase than 18's.

As far as choosing wheels, I would go with a set of OEM Porsche 17"s. While heavy not as heavy as the after market wheels you are looking at. That will also have an effect on ride quality since the additional weight of rotating mass will make those green springs you choose work harder.

Edit: just as an alternative you might want to look at CCW's. For the buck no better lighter more robust 3 pc wheel on the market. I have a set for my DE/street car.

http://www.ccwheel.com/wheelprofiles-display.php?id=Classic

Dan

[Cobracarrera]

Originally Posted by bleachii

Are these them Cobra? Expensive suckers!

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Bleachii.......Yes they are the same wheels in all the pictures I posted...Just the one picture is before I mounted the RSA wing... they are 18 inch....18 x 10 rear and 18 x 8.5 front to be exact.

No the RH wheels you posted are the P3.6.....The ones on my car are the P1's (look similar and are 1 piece) and are significantly cheaper (approx $2400 set new) I bought mine used a few years back........I called GMP Performance a while back and they were out of stock on my wheel for some time waiting to get some more in....There are a few vendors that sell RH wheels though.

Look into the Veloce wheels as they have the Veloce RS wheels also available that look similar to my old RH P1's.....The set goes for less than $1600 but it may take a while to come in as they are only availble overseas, but can be ordered anyway per Veloce dealer in South Carolina.
http://www.velocewheels.com/veloceRS/VeloceRSsilverside.html

or the Veloce 3.6 wheels.
http://www.velocewheels.com/veloce36/veloce36silver_large.html

I just recently sold my RH wheels before Christmas and I put the stock D90's back on..

Or like Dan stated above...you cant go wrong with CCW wheels...A bit more expensive, but the quality is excellent.

These are the CCW Classics on my Cobra in 18 x 11 rear and 18 x 9.5 front.....just to give you an idea....Hope this helps....

[bleachii]

Thanks again for the responses. Dan and Cobra, very helpful!

I AM looking at the CCW's now. The LM5. The gentleman I am talking with 'John' has been very helpful and responsive via email thus far. It does have a nice lip on the wheel which I am discovering is the look I like. They appear to be around $2700 set per the web pricing. I have not confirmed that with John yet.

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Wish the second pic of the white car showed the rims more but they look good from that view albeit on a different car. Nervous about ordering the rims custom having never seen them on a 964 before.

Veloce also replied and the 3.6 rim is in stock and available but the RS will be a few months. Appears the only difference is in the 'spokes' which are dimpled on the RS models. I'm good with the 3.6. Per George at Veloce the rims are very close to same weight as the original speedline's in '93/'94. Have to take his word for it.

3.6:
Veloce Wheels : Veloce 3.6 Silver full view

RS:
Veloce Wheels : Veloce RS Silver side

He did confirm 2 customers in USA with simulated bolts that fell off and confirmed they were fixed (sent replacements) free of charge. That concerns me. He did say it was not a wide spread problem but I question the durability of stick on bolts. Were the original speedline wheels stick on bolts? I suspect not.

I don't know pricing on the Veloce's yet with exception of my original eBay pricing. Still also considering the C2 Turbo rims but they are tough to get as well.

C2 Turbo

Also in communication with RH Wheels:

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[bri450sl]

"The wheels I am drawn to appear to be the Porsche 'Turbo' wheels. Not the twists but the 964 turbo 5 star look with the bolts".

Are these the wheels you are looking for? I think they are the 964 turbo wheels - 17". I think they fit my 993 just fine.

[bleachii]

Yes, that is the look. I have to say that each of the wheel vendors are responsive and offering good up front service with quick replys to emails. The guy at CCW is a class act but I think the LM5 rims are too much rim for this car. It's still a mostly stock car and I believe the rims would overwhelm the car. They are also the most expensive.

The gentleman from Veloce got back with me this morning and the set is $1599 plus another $300ish for center caps and shipping. I need to follow up with the RH rep before making a decision. Think this will come down to RH and Veloce unless someone has a horror story about either of them.

Supposed to get the car back tonight from the shop with the new shocks, springs, camber plates, alignment and corner balancing. It has been there since Christmas Eve. I was thinking one day and now we are at almost 2 weeks! Hopefully will be able to order the rims this week for phase 2.

[Cobracarrera]

Bleachii.....If you are a PCA member let the gentleman know at Veloce that you belong to the PCA and he will give you some additional discount....Every little bit helps.

I dont think that RH will do that...It wont hurt to ask though......Why are the center caps $300...I was quoted $150 for them....You can use your factory center caps for the RH or Veloce...

That is what I had on my RH wheels as they are in perfect shape. Now they are back on my D90's...

[bri450sl]

I bought my wheels from "Thatcher" on Rennlist. I think he may visit Pelican also. He has a lot of 3 piece wheels and I think at one time (or may still be) an independent wheel reseller. I would get in touch with him. He's a great guy and he may have something your looking for. If you need more info, PM me.

[bleachii]

center caps and shipping to SoCal. Think he quoted me $160/set plus $155 shipping.

I'll ping Thatcher as well although we are very close on pulling the trigger here on the Veloce's.

[Cobracarrera]

Originally Posted by bleachii

center caps and shipping to SoCal. Think he quoted me $160/set plus $155 shipping.

I'll ping Thatcher as well although we are very close on pulling the trigger here on the Veloce's.

I sent you a pm Bleachii.....