I Stand corrected, Bob had heard GT3 RS was a faster car!

He has also heard the Gt3 is extremely expensive to repair. Someone @ a track event warped his brake rotors. The price to repair his one Gt3 RS rotor, was 5 grand per brake rotor. WOW wee, i guess you will be paying for those ponies when something else needs repaired.

Good luck , jpc

Whoever said Porsche's were cheap is sadly mistaken. Although you can't warp the PCCB rotors but they can get damaged easily. The steel rotors are almost as good at a fraction of the cost. My fathers friend has an Enzo Complete brake job cost him $125k. So I guess a GT3 looks better all the time.

You want a fun track car buy a used C5R vette or last seasons speedvision GT2. They will cost you about the same as a new Gt3 although maintenance is another story.

Warping, just going on what the owner told Bob. Regardless, it was $5k per rotor.

My reasons of why some folks have chosen to stay with a heavier modified older Porsche vs. an OEM race car.

Depends on the racers budjet.

I have also heard the modiefied Mustangs are great for racing as-well.

Thanks jpc

There are always pros and cons to everything.

The $5k price would be for PCCB's if you buy through the dealer they can be purchased for considerably less through Sunset. It is a costly option to begin with and unless you are racing I see no need.

I enjoy the track, but just for fun. I am more than happy with my little 964 C2 for that, it moves along great handles with the best of them and unless you start getting into full blown racing equipment does a phenomenal job for very little investment. Although the GT3 is faster I can still hang through the turns with them and have as much fun if not more so.

My turbo would be more fun and faster but it is too nice to destroy on the track.

The mustangs do seem to do quite well on both the track and autocross but still no where near as much fun or as challenging to drive as the older 911's. Although the newer cars are faster and very capable they loose the raw edge of the older cars. When you get it right in an older 911 you really know your driving and to me it is more fun to tame the beast than to have PSM or stability control do it for you.

Now we are really off topic. :o
SmileWavy

What a ridiculous waste of money! i don't begrudge people having nice things, but holy S#i+, you could changes someones life for that amount.


I think the cayennes big problem is that it is U-G-L-Y and it ain't got no alibis it's ugly. IMO (this clears me of responsibility for what I say)

While I would never pay for one, I bet it is nice inside. I thought Porsche might go the turbo diesel route at one time. Does anyone know if there were any plans?

Porsche AG recently did a 180 on the previous statement this year of no diesels, so I guess it's a possibility.

For now they are going the hybrid route. They had a prototype and a cutaway view of a couple of Cayennes at last month's L.A. Auto Show.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1197252756.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1197252895.jpg

LOL I guess were entitled to our opinions. Don't know of many good looking SUV's maybe the jeep SRT8 isn't bad, kind of sporty but useless. Unlike the Cayenne you can't even tow with it or go offroad. The RR's are too darn boxy the Treg looks like a Cayenne with a bad nose job while the Audi looks like an overgrown Audi. My sister picked up an LR3 Sport not bad looking until I drove it and then I lost total respect for it.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I didn't care much for its looks at first but once behind the wheel I started to appreciate its inner beauty making the outside much more appealing. Ironically I like the looks of the 1st generation better. Looks like someone took a 996TT grabbed it by the wheels and roof and pulled.

I agree looks are tough but how do you design something like an SUV and make it look like something other than a box? Aerodynamically it is a brick compared to most sports cars but they did something right to make this brick very stable at speeds I would not entertain driving any other SUV at.

BTW to people that can afford an Enzo the cost of the Enzo is pocket change and maintenance is just part of ownership.

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Quote Brother: I think the cayennes big problem is that it is U-G-L-Y and it ain't got no alibis it's ugly.

I have to disagree the Turbo does not have a bad line on it, the other cayennes I don't care for the front fascia.

Quote Cobalt: I agree looks are tough but how do you design something like an SUV and make it look like something other than a box? Aerodynamically it is a brick compared to most sports cars but they did something right to make this brick very stable at speeds I would not entertain driving any other SUV at.

For what it is, a 5000lb brick it is very capable in all conditions, it goes offroad nicely and at speed. On road it is hard to unnerve, handles poor road conditions like its a walk in the park. I have had mine two years and other than sucking fuel (13mpg av) its been a hoot to drive as a daily driver. Anything over 2k rpm and the boost comes on like thors hammer.

Hey guys I'm new to the forum. I have a 2005 Cayenne Turbo. It has been a great car to drive so far except for some small quality niggles. Until recently that is.
I had an overheating issue recently. The car warned me of a low coolant level issue, but no matter how much coolant I poured the light kept on until a coolant level too high warning came on. As usual in my country the dealer had no idea whatsoever so I took it elsewhere.
Upon removal of the intake plenum 3 plastic pipes that carry coolant were found to be cracked. One specialist in the US told me this is quite common ocurrence and to buy two sets of these tubes just in case.
I can not criticize ther car as it has been an exemplary drive for an SUV -far better than my Benz G55 wich will rattle you to death- on road as well as off. Except for that not so minor issue the car had run faultless.


Carlos

"Stay AWAY from all Cayenne's
A master mechanic for VW, said all Touregs are JUNK."

After a quick review of the messages posted here, I may be one of the few that have owned both a Toureg (sic) and a Cayenne. I would report that I loved the Touareg about 91% of the time; but the other 9% drove me nuts. Most of the problems were electrical with one problem that repeated itself 4 times: One of the rear seat belts would lock the rear seats in either the up or down position. The only way to solve the problem was to cut the belt. My dealer admitted that it happened with the vehicle quite often yet they did not keep them in stock. Had I known better, I would have had them replace it the first time with a Cayenne belt.
Like everything else on our 2006 S, the belts perform flawlessly. It is my understanding that though the Touareg and the Cayenne share a chassis and windows, everything else is pretty much unique to each.
Anyway, our Cayenne just turned 40K and it has been one of the most durable and reliable Porsche's I have owned (even my trusty ole 76 bulletproof S blew an airbox). We live in snowy Central Oregon where it takes us to the ski slope faster than any other vehicle. We also live part time in Palm Springs where it gets subjected to temps above 120 at times. In both climates it does everything we ask of it. It is loaded with every option available and none have had a problem. It is in now way or form anything like the Touageg and neither are the dealers.
Should you buy one? I don't think you will be sorry; and if you want to wait a couple of years, you can buy mine when we get our new one.

This post came up in my search when learning about the 1st gen Cayennes. I can't help but wonder if the people who were saying the VW and Cayenne SUV were reliable are kinda eating those words now that time/miles have proven otherwise. My search on these cars has revealed that Porsche has major issues with their engines. I thought they had learned from the 996 but guess not. Common issues that seem to be showing up is "cylinder scoring", plastic cooling pipes break (later revised with metal), various electrical issues, driveshaft issues, and transmission problems (valve body). No wonder these guys are the most profitable car company in the world. They sacrifice quality at the expense of higher profit. I'll pass...

Very suspect a 2005 vehicle has only 18,000 miles on it...

Not if it was July 2007...when this thread was started ;)

Roger

Love my 2004 Turbo...no real problems in over 100K mi. Lots of towing (cross coutry and local), etc. Huge rear seat area allows lots of room for large adults. Still very, very fast and great on poor roads.

Cayenne "cousin" doing well...
 

We bought our Q7 3.6 new in '07. After 80K, it has been pretty good, tows well, decent MPG, lots of room (we have the 3rd row seats as well). Only one significant out of warranty repair. A $1100 HVAC control module (it also has the rear AC). Our last SUV was a '00 Range Rover, so the bar was set pretty low for us with respect to reliability.

Roger

Funny to read this from back in the day...

I have an 06 Cayenne I just purchased 6 months ago with 80k on it...thing is awesome, runs like a beast.

Oh, as for the VW dealerships...yea, no changes. LOLSmileWavy

Post a picture when you get it. love red one