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The LMA simply kicks A$$!

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Old 05-30-2001, 04:29 PM
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here is the nicer version and the p/u




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PU version? Would NOT haul a field dressed bull elk. Right, Randy? Right? These east coast people....

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Looks like a BMW X5, but with that SAME darn neo-Porsche nose again.

I guess I will be able to tell it from a Boxter or 996 at a distance because it will be the one tipping over....

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Here is some Cayenne optimism:

HypoVereinsbank tips car stocks
Peugeot, Porsche, DaimlerChrysler get thumbs up

By Taska Manzaroli, FTMarketWatch.com 3:50:00 PM BST May 25, 2001

MUNICH (FTMW) - Peugeot [FR:012150], Porsche [DE:693773] and DaimlerChrysler [DE:710000] [US CX] are likely to outperform other European car stocks over the next months, according to a report by HypoVereinsbank.

Analysts at Germany's second-biggest bank reckon that car companies worldwide will boost operating earnings by an average of about 39 percent in 2002 after stagnation this year. The profit gains will stem from reorganisations and new models.

"We're forecasting a significantly higher earnings dynamic in 2002 compared to this year," analysts Georg Stuerzer and Albrecht Denninghoff wrote in a report on the industry.

The analysts rate France's Peugeot a "buy" with a price target of €413 because of its "extremely attractive" valuation and a raft of new models. The stock was last trading at €328.20.

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Porsche is rated a "buy" as it can expect "a significant increase" in earnings once it has introduced its Cayenne sports utility vehicle. The preferred stock could rise to €480, the analysts reckon. That compares with Friday's price of €397.

DaimlerChrysler gets the analysts' thumbs up amid optimism that it will manage to turn around its loss-making U.S. and Japanese businesses. The analysts give it a "outperform" rating and have a price target of €66. Its stock was little changed at €56.27.

BMW [DE:519000] and Renault [FR:013190] both have upward potential, but are unlikely to generate above-average growth rates, the analysts said. HypoVereinsbank rates the shares "neutral".

Volkswagen [DE:766400] and Fiat [UK:0268897], by contrast, are rated "underperform".

VW's margins are still below those of its French rivals and the company is feeling the pinch from fierce competition in the mass market in Western Europe, the analysts said.

Fiat has a "fundamental strategic problem" as it is focussed on the small cars, whose margins have crumbled, they added.

Analysts' price targets and share price potential:

. Company Price Target Growth potential

1 BMW €42 4%

2 DaimlerChrysler €66 17%

3 Porsche €480 33%

4 Volkswagen €52 -10%

5 Peugeot €413 29%

6 Renault €68 12%

7 Fiat €27 0

Taska Manzaroli is a reporter for FTMarketWatch.com based in Berlin.




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Economic issues for Porsche aside, I find the Cayenne a bit of an embarrassment for the Porsche marque. Sports car manufactures just don't - for the larger picture anyhow - make SUVs. Therefore, well, it reduces the impact of Porsche as a sports car manufacturer.
Aside from that, I really hate SUVs. In the UK there are really quite a few (we don't call them SUVs, by the way) but in the US they are everywhere. When I lived in LA I was seeing more and more, but now its ridiculous, it's like every other car. I'm sure the UK would be the same but high fuel costs prohibit and encourage the slightly less awful (and better if one hits your 911) Euro Hatchback - small 2 or 4 door, 1,000cc or so, hatchback. I can't help but feel there's about a 2% real need for SUVs so the rest is just pointless....
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The wrong car at the wrong price at the wrong time...

Yuk!

Never mind, with any luck it'll be on sale for about three to five years, be quietly withdrawn, and in another five years only people like us will remember it...

Hang on to your old 911s everyone - someday the factory might need to examine a few for inspiration.

Its sad. Really very sad.

I just hope, fervantly, that they won't lose everything on this silly gamble.

We've been here before, in 1974-75 and 1991-92. Each time the factory came close to bankruptcy, each time the basic strength of the product line and the loyalty of the customers pulled it through.

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Just saw the ultimate SUV moment. A large Woman with peroxide hair was reversing in to a fairly large parking spot in the street - she was in a newish Rav 4. I was sat on a bench just relaxing and saw her reversing. She took about 10 mins. to reverse in, never actually looking backwards, just in the mirrors. Eventually she hit the VW Jetta behind her with a big crunch....
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Ford in actuall Porsche ?

Sure Viseton is delivering several modules. The door opener is a slightly modified Ford Focus/Mondeo unit.

The 993 was a "turnaround" in the Porsche world.

Before that Porsche tried to make the best car doesn´t matter what others think.

Then came the crisis and Mr. Kaizen himself was turning the Porsche philosophy around. Now Porsche where pointet to; as good as BMW in Shareholdervalue and Productquality.

Just make a car with a good surface.

Also this was easyer as all the OEM could modify existing parts and doesn´t have to made special Porsche high quality parts.

This all ( and much more ) droped the costs.

Porsche is the only company ever that made such a turnaround within 3 Years.

The reason for the SUV is very simple; new costumers.

The car is not focused on us Sportscardriver. It is focused on the 50% human being known as female.

Porsche also is hoping for sales in the more "Off" areas like Asia/Pacific or Russia.

Well yes VW is in financial trouble as they have bought Bentley, Lamborgini, Bugatti, Cosworth engenieering and many other companys.

Piech is a bit grazy and thinks real big ( Well the austrians seem to have this always in there heads ).

Many of those companys need huge money to invest in new products and then they will hit on the inhouse rivals.

But on the other hand Lamborgini is a Traktor and farmer machine company with the best engenieering for those tasks. I can follow most of his moves like on a chess board.

Ford is not in a strong position. VW is partially owned by the staate and Volkswagen owns a hughe stock themself. A big share was spread to the small people and they don´t react like a bank. Thats why the stock value is under the average. VW stocks sould normally be at BMW level. VW was never focused in shareholdervalues and reinvestet more in the company & products.

A friendly merger would maybe work. But why should Piech ? he is some 10 Years ahead from Ford and in the next car generation his products share platforms very effective.

Ford is now still on the start and "captured" Mr. Reitzle to get a line in the products. And Reitzle will have his impact hopefully in the US production.

Also Ford and VW had some sharing projects ( f.e. the Sharan/Galaxy Minivans ) and VW allways bought them out as they had to much trouble in the philosophy. Quality is allways one of the most imortant things for VW but Ford even don´t had that on focus.
Ford Galaxy ( realy, thats the name i know the US Galaxys ) owners drove there Vans to VW to get major problems fittet. Very basic things like selfburning cars or decentered hubs. Ford germany has lost more then the half from his inland marked.

The future will not go on like the uS heads think. The average costumer will go to a good quality product and use it longer and then the hughe capacitys in US car industrie will break in. The "Facliftindustrie" doesn´t have the power to generate technologigical progress. Some companys have more designers and cost controlers then engenieers.

And yes the new Cayenne is also integratet as VW platform. The other trick is that Porsche even doen´t have to sell any SUV to make money with the branch. The branch is built from Porsche Austria money ( Witch is a company from Piech ) and "rentet" to Volkswagen.

Also Porsche has plans to build some other cars in that branch if the SUV will fail.

Maybe we see an other VW-Porsche or Audi-Porsche again ?

Hadn´t been bad cars either ?

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Slaves to fashion - Doctor Porsche will be turning in his grave. Can you imagine asking him to design an SUV and specifying low profile tires because they look good.

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Re Mr Kunz's posting:
1. When Porsche started outsourcing components with the 993, did the quality fall?
2. FYI: Porsche is opening a dealership in Beijing.
3. VW CEO Piech "thinks big"? Compared to...? Jurgen Schremmp? The latter has been thinking "big" for a decade, acquiring Freightliner, Fokker and Chrysler, all of which have lost money for Daimler. And he tried to acquire Nissan but his board vetoed it.
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I'm looking forward to the "Porsche City Smart"



Slam on a Porsche crest and some 996 headlights and you're ready to go....
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In fact Dr.Porsche died neraly at the same moment when the last 993 was rolled out from the factory.

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1. When Porsche started outsourcing components with the 993, did the quality fall ?

Well it was still ol 911 and all the things startet to improve the 964. When the 964 came out the 993 was allready under his way even the body contours and all the other things where nearly finished. Mainly the time was investet for the new Turbo witch needed a new rear axle and many usefull things to make maintance easyer. On the other end they went trough the ready car and simplfied the most things and many OEM´s where "lopezed" ( price dictation ). A good point on decreasing quality in small numbers is how the licence plate lights went down over the years.
On the 993 every cent was turned more then twice and the cost controler had the last word.
But similar things did happen with Mercedes and some others too. Some had been allready a decade ahead ( BMW ).

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2. FYI: Porsche is opening a dealership in Beijing.


I think they hope to sale 20 cars this year. Also Porsche is maybe constructing the new chinese Volkswagen.

The SUV will have some markets in rougher areas from Asia, Africa, South America, North America, Australia, Arabia/middle east, Russia. Just where a sportscar isn´t usable as the streets are even worser then in New York.

There are many wealthy people siting on there haziendas. Thinking about the annual replacment for there high performance SUV ( Yes those Cheetas get old too and the HumVee isn´t really a drivers car )

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3. VW CEO Piech "thinks big"? Compared to...? Jurgen Schremmp? The latter has been thinking "big" for a decade, acquiring Freightliner, Fokker and Chrysler, all of which have lost money for Daimler. And he tried to acquire Nissan but his board vetoed it.

Oh in germany Piech was compared to A.Hitler.

Piech isn´t a normal industrial leader, he is more a dictator.

And Mercedes did aquire many companys over the years. But they allways made money with it. They just keep it looking bad to save on taxes. Mostley the aquired companys where partially joined into MB and the ( useless ) rest spitet out and had to run on them self or with help from the goverment.

Well at the Daimler Chrysler "merger" I was thinking who pulled the other over the table.

Most of the analysts in germany can´t see the reason why mercedes should merge with Chrysler. Some of them said that Chrysler will be much cheaper in the future.

But generally it was a simple way for daimler to save big money on taxes ( the merging was done under german law as the tax rate for that is much better ).

Well there was a joke. Chrysler merged as the gEO´s would like to park there Mercedes in the company parking lots and Mercedes GEO`s as they could rise there earnings to chrysler level.


@ Mikkel

Don´t you know that Porsche had to redesign the suspension after the A-class cause ? Porsche widened the rear stance and made a new shock setup ( little turbo ) but engenieers said it has a generally missconstruction and needs a redesign.

Now rumors are that the next smart is constructet with some help from Porsche and will have a more midengine layout.

First cars are out in the streets and will hit sales as a sporty two seat roadster.

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Roland,

good points. what annoys me most are people that think that Americans are the only people in the world that buy SUVs. i've written way too much about this and i think that the people that think that the Porsche Cayenne is "late" don't know about the oil magnates that buy $1,000,000 custom Aston Martins every year... 4 at a time. you know, the same guys that bought the most expensive car that Maserati could make.. and then had them modified for more power.

there's a lot of people in the world that WANT a Sports car, but they physically can not drive them where they live. you could sell a hundred thousand Cayennes to them though.

to others: Dr Porsche would not be rolling in his grave... he'd probably have a Cayenne modified to fit a turbo V10, and then take delight in passing everyone on the Autobahn.

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