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Can't say I will be rushing out to get one of these. I like the numbers though. You've got to admit it would be fun to pull up to the line next two a ricer or two and blow them away! Still, for the kind of money you would spend on one of these you could get an awfully nice "mid-life crisis car." I can't see this selling as well as anticipated unfortunately.
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I had been hearing rumors of a Porsche/Honda cooperative venture for a long time. It looks like it finally happened, you know, sort of like the relationship between, say, Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac. Every 5th vehicle off of the Suburban assembly line gets called a Yukon, and every 6th one becomes an Escalade. So I wonder what the production ratio of CR/V's to Pepperwagens will be? I guess I can see now that this will permit a return to world-class racing and Porsche's roots. All they have to do now is use Honda's F1 motors, dust off the old chassis design, and - Voila! - right back into it, and they never missed a beat.
It seems to me that the last thing anybody, anywhere needed was another uninspired, look-alike, me-too SUV. Overall, it just looks like Porsche marched right into the abyss of mediocrity with everybody else.
But, hey, they're making so much money they can afford to do it...
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Hey, here's an idea. Porsche are always boasting about how 80% (or whatever) of Porsche cars ever built are still on the road - a testament to reliability and resale.

I am thinking that maybe SCWDP members should threaten to crush an SC a day until they scrap the Cayenne and start pouring money back into racing development?

Just a thought. Any volunteers?

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well, it's not that bad looking at all ! i hop e it sells well so they have the money to return to to Porsches roots of racing! I think once you guy's get to see one in person.. you may like it a bit more.. but it still pisses me off that they built it.
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Yawn.

Why not a sport lawnmower while you're at it? you could also slap a 911 front end on it...

Hey PORSCHE: GO BACK TO ROAD RACING !!! NOW ! I'M SERIOUS!
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I wonder how many of your fathers had 356s, and slammed the 911 when it was introduced.

I'm sorry. Normally I'm not a rude person. But the level of BANDWAGON JUMPING in this thread is simply out of control.

Granted, I actually think the Cayenne looks kinda fun. It might also help to fund the $350,000 supercar that Porsche will be building (now officially greenlighted).

I don't care for the 914 terribly much. But I most joyously rode in one the last DE I attended. They're all cars, some are Porsches, some are not. But I'm a tolerant individual, and I'm actually kinda happy to say that Porsche has balls large enough to make an SUV that outperforms my 911.

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I think it looks like fun too. I think the biggest mistake was calling it an SUV. It's more like the Audi Allroad...an all-wheel drive wagon w/ some serious rally potential. I think, from looking at it, that this will WIN the Paris Dakkar some day...if they back it like their advertising hints at.

I will have to see one in person though. I saw a new BMW 7 series in person today and it looks much meaner than it does in press photos. If you black out the B and C pillars I think it'll look nasty (in a good way). To each his own right...then again this is coming from someone who has loved the 914 from the first glance

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The Cayenne is yet another example of this crossover craze permeating the auto industry. There are some of us who actually use a truck-type vehicle everyday, and to us Yukons, Expys, X5s, and especially Escalades are all truck "wannabes. "

The Cayenne is closer to car than truck in concept and execution and will be an excellent alternative for most buyers of truck-based SUVs. The power and handling capabilites may make it more fun to drive than we've imagined.

But until it can haul a ton of sand or tow a car trailer or comfortably haul the obligatory 4 x 8' plywood (I got 20 sheets yesterday), I've got no use for it. My F-150 Supercab is the 3rd best vehicle in the house, but it's an appliance you can love.
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Agreed, the auto industry is going through another fad/craze. Like SUVs themselves, which were a cross between Jeeps, vans, and trucks. I think the Blazer was the original "roadgoing off-roader", notwithstanding the Range Rovers and Landcruisers that were already off-roading their ways across Africa.
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The cayenne is definitely not a SUV or truck if you look at the ground clearance available. It's a tall station wagon at best. And I'm sure the limited cargo capacity will make it seem weak by station wagon standards. I'm sorry, I just don't think there is any way you can graft a Porsche styled front end onto any type of truck, or SUV, or COV derivative and make it look attractive. I personally think it is the front end styling that most ruins the looks of the vehicle. I do predict that they will sell a bunch of them, probably at well over MSRP, to rich people with disposable incomes. Very few of which are Porsche loyalists. And a year or two from now, the lots and eBay will be full of them, because the first owners got bored of their new toy and moved on to some other manufacturer's latest "it" vehicle. Check out the number of boxsters and 996s that are on ebay and in the papers. Their resale value is dropping like a rock. 30 - 40 percent depreciation on a two year old 996. Ouch, that has to hurt. You can already find 996s in the high 40's to low 50's all over the place and nice condition boxsters in the mid 20's. They wanted to reach out to a new client base and it looks like they've done it. But I bet that many of those buyers will only be one-time Porsche buyers and will move on to another toy.
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I have to disagree somewhat skul. I think the one's that jumped on the bandwagon were Porsche. The majority reaction here is predicatable, but if I try and divorce myself from any "they should be racing" thoughts, etc, here's what I think:

It looks like an suv. It could easily be the newest suv by any number of car makers. You can't say that about the Boxster or 911 (yet). Maybe I'm biased because I really don't like suvs (even though I'm driving one). I also hate the wheels. And can you even buy it with a manual transmission?

Maybe it looks better in person...but I'll bet it will still look like an suv. If I needed equivalent capacity I would take an RS4 in a heartbeat. All the performance and better looking imho. Hell, I'd settle for an S4 Avant. You can chip that wagon and be sub-6 seconds. And I'll bet the interior is more comfortable to boot.
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I already own a Porsche-designed SW/SUV

It's called a Volvo V70 T5. Of course, the only thing Porsche designed is the 5 cylinder head on the 247 hp 2.3L turbo -- what a great engine.

Sure looks better than a Cayenne!

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When the 911 was first introduced, why was it picked on by 356 owners? Certainly not because Porsche was trying to get its share of the massive rear engine sports car market, was it? This is different. Porsche is making a late attempt at jumping into the SUV/COV market--to get its share of a massive product category that already exists. There's nothing new or "fresh" about the Cayenne.


I'm a fan of 356s, 911s, 964s, 993s, 996s, Boxsters, 928s, and 968s. I haven't driven all the models, but there's something uniquely Porsche about each one. I'm not just picking on the Cayenne's appearance either. To me, it's sloppy seconds in an already crowded market, and I think Porsche is making a mistake. Granted, the mistake may not immediately show up on Porsche's balance sheets, but the company seems to be losing its focus and diluting its image.

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How can an SUV be this low to the ground? It looks more like a station wagon than an SUV. I realize most people don't take their SUV off road, but by the looks of it, this thing would hit bottom on a bumpy gravel road. I think it looks like a cross between an SUV, station wagon and a mini van.
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Great for the wealthy Porsche enthusiast.

If I could afford this SUV, I'd be driving it. I'd take it skiing and mountain biking and transfer my Thule rack to it. I'd use it to haul the badass track car to the track. Forget for a moment that this vehicle bears the Porsche name. I'd say this is the best SUV/wagon a Porsche enthusiast and sportsman could drive sportingly. Come on, if you had the good fortune to own both a new 996 or turbo as well as a dedicated track-car, you wouldn't consider this as your utility vehicle?

As for it's looks, I've never stopped to admire an SUV/wagon for its beauty. How else is a Porsche SUV supposed to look?

Hmm, now I'm $.02 poorer.
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We'll test drive it, but I think the wife will choose the BMW on looks.

It looks fat and heavy - I'm not a fan.
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Finally, confirmation of what we already knew: the Cayenne is Porsche's El Camino.

In my humble opinion, it looks as though they hastily developed the Cayenne based on a concept sketch that should have been aborted mid-sketch. It's a timid attempt by Porsche to produce something they don't really need to produce, and it shows.

There is nothing about the car, from the wheels to the A-pillars, that is inspired. I'm not going to say it's a missed opportunity because I'm one of those purists who didn't want Porsche to tarnish their own image with this car in the first place.

But for more open-minded Porsche enthusiasts, it's probably a missed opportunity. But like the El Camino, it will sell, and nobody will be able to work out why; they'll never be taken off-road, just as most El Caminos have never had more than shopping bags sliding up and down their rear trays.

The Cayenne is just a novelty car, and enough insane people will buy it to make it one of those inexplicable automotive success stories.

I wonder what the boys at Ferrari think.


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Aaaackkkk!!! First the Hyundai Tiburon, then the Chevy Avalanche, now this! Dr. Porsche is probably turning over in his grave. The Cayenne wouldn't look gOOd even if Anna Kournikova and Britney Spears were posing nude on it.

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