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OP there are 3 different 964 coupes on the Pelican classifieds...
Old 07-10-2018, 07:52 AM
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I have a beautiful 964 C4 with 72,000 miles on it
the car is great but I have to many cars
sport seats, red and tan interior....fantastic car. I bought it from a collector.
I would consider selling it for $60,000 firm
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Singer just built its 100th car.
Given the # of 964 produced Singer couldnít affect the supply and demand.
The appeal of the 964 is its quasi old school quasi modern and thenlines are smoother than the G cars.
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Are you saying you may or may not sell it for $60K ?
Show up, perform your checks, agree to $60k, then both take a trip to the local bank branch. He brings car, title, bill of sale, you obtain cashier check in his presence, walla. Coin goes to him, car, title, bill of sale goes to you.

Show up, do otherwise, it's simply not worth his time/effort.

I've no affiliation or acquaintance with seller, just experience with buying/selling my personal vehicles.
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to clarify
Yes, I will sell my 91 964 C4 for $60,000
72,000 miles
Beautiful car with sports seats
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ďThe appeal of the 964 is its quasi old school quasi modern and thenlines are smoother than the G cars.Ē

Itís quasi allright. For me, the 964 is neither fish nor fowl. The Habsburg Jaw pretty much blows the aesthetics, but thereís no accounting for taste... including my own.

It isnít about the number of 964s that Singer has made beautiful... itís about the impact Singer has made on an emotion-rife market. Pick yer tulip & love it.
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ďThe appeal of the 964 is its quasi old school quasi modern and thenlines are smoother than the G cars.Ē

Itís quasi allright. For me, the 964 is neither fish nor fowl. The Habsburg Jaw pretty much blows the aesthetics, but thereís no accounting for taste... including my own.

It isnít about the number of 964s that Singer has made beautiful... itís about the impact Singer has made on an emotion-rife market. Pick yer tulip & love it.
Couldn't agree more. Never came to warm up to my 964's styling for this reason. Always much preferred the look of the earlier 3.2s, SCs, and 2.7s...lighter looking styling, without the chunky looking front bumper and "boat" style look of the rear bumper. Singer eliminated both bumpers for a reason.
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That targa that was for sale last week I missed by 5 mins would have paid full price but it sold rite away
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I will chime in. I bought my 1990 c2 two years ago. Even back before the 964 market was hot I still took a year to find the one I wanted. Guards red with black interior. Actually kind of tough to track down in descent shape. Most were made with tan interiors. Tan was a total turn off for me. Anyways the point is like the others said if you are patient and are ready to go at a moments notice you will find your car. My car was for sale for 5 hours when I bought two years ago. So needed to move fast on a clean and desirable 964 even back then. Best of luck with your search.
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That targa that was for sale last week I missed by 5 mins would have paid full price but it sold rite away
If it was this one it was underpriced. Probably went to reseller/flipper.

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Couldn't agree more. Never came to warm up to my 964's styling for this reason. Always much preferred the look of the earlier 3.2s, SCs, and 2.7s...lighter looking styling, without the chunky looking front bumper and "boat" style look of the rear bumper. Singer eliminated both bumpers for a reason.
agree + Singer did change all the above + ++ more classic lines cudos to Singer
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The 964 coupe and targa are quite rare compared to the other air cooled 911's. All the info published is incorrect as everyone counted 60 cars too many per vin number MY etc for both US & ROW cars. Porsche clarified that in their classics book I believe second volume.

That makes roughly 5170 US spec coupes both C2/C4 tip and manual made and far less targas. These were the ugly duckling for a long time and so many were used and abused, crashed and parted out. Very few remain and finding a car without stories is not so easy and these are becoming pricey to maintain.

Singers are way overpriced for what they offer. It is all about the status with them and a well setup and modified 964 can easily give you the fun without the fluff for a fraction of the cost. Good luck finding them for less than MSRP unless you like a project.
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The 964 coupe and targa are quite rare compared to the other air cooled 911's. All the info published is incorrect as everyone counted 60 cars too many per vin number MY etc for both US & ROW cars. Porsche clarified that in their classics book I believe second volume.

That makes roughly 5170 US spec coupes both C2/C4 tip and manual made and far less targas. These were the ugly duckling for a long time and so many were used and abused, crashed and parted out. Very few remain and finding a car without stories is not so easy and these are becoming pricey to maintain.

Singers are way overpriced for what they offer. It is all about the status with them and a well setup and modified 964 can easily give you the fun without the fluff for a fraction of the cost. Good luck finding them for less than MSRP unless you like a project.
Well said. I knew I saw those numbers somewhere thank you for posting. I couldn't remember exactly what they were so I didn't want to chime in with in accurate info. I am biased because I am in the camp that the 964 is the best blend of the old and the new if you get a c2. One of the reasons why that was one of my dream Porsches. If you can find a car that has never been wrecked and is clean and doesn't need work you are going to pay a $$$ now days. These are not unloved any longer. Like others have said Singer, RWB, and all the others that backdate from the 964 platform have made that overall number even smaller. Is it a lowered by a lot? No not at all but, what I think all of those coach builders/hot rodders have done is shine a light on the 964 chassis for all maybe non-Porsche folks and brought in a lot of new comers into the hobby. This is what I am seeing. Like said previously, a lot of tuners also what this model. So it has a wide birth of desire now and everyone knows the saying "supply and demand" sets the market. That's why I think they are all over the place but generally trending in the up and more expensive area.
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I don’t think singer currently are buying any cars, they have a big stash
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Anyone missed this ?

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What does your post have to do with this thread? You are quite a strange character I have noticed
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The naysayers in this thread all sold their cars for well under market value and are trying to rain on everyone else's parade out of bitterness. I drove my first 964 back in 2012 and was immediately blown away at how good the car was, knew it was only a matter of time before the "secret got out". It had the quality and feel of the pre-89 911's but would run circles around them with modern refinement, better gearbox, brakes, and proper HVAC. I slightly prefer the looks of a 3.2 with fuchs and a tail but the 964 is still an extremely sexy machine.



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The naysayers in this thread all sold their cars for well under market value and are trying to rain on everyone else's parade out of bitterness. I drove my first 964 back in 2012 and was immediately blown away at how good the car was, knew it was only a matter of time before the "secret got out". It had the quality and feel of the pre-89 911's but would run circles around them with modern refinement, better gearbox, brakes, and proper HVAC. I slightly prefer the looks of a 3.2 with fuchs and a tail but the 964 is still an extremely sexy machine.


I agree with everything you said but at the same time the it makes no sense that 964's are valued higher than an equally specc'd and similar condition 993. 993's have all the same attributes AND were improved in all the right areas. Other than styling, which is highly subjective, no one can argue that one or the other is better looking, therefore I believe that 964's will (and should) drop just as 993's did. Note, this applies to 'driver' level cars and not to ultra low mileage or special editions.
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Supply / demand curve in play here. If demand is 964=993 then the price of a 964 is higher. Right now I think you have two economic forces at work. Demand for a 964 coupe is higher than that of a 993 coupe and supply is far less.

BTW the Tahoe Blue C2 Coupe in the picture above would be worth a fortune !!
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As I said many times before the 964 was a test bed mule that was never, ever fully developed because: 1) The entire world economy had tanked, 2) Porsche was in very dire financial straits that they sold so few cars in the USA that they actually considered pulling out of the US altogether, and 3) The amount of new DOT/EPA requirements heaped on such a small company as Porsche was too much.

The Carrera 4 is somewhat an icon, but as you know they were in the "Where are they now?" territory as recent as 2012. Any 964 was and is rare because the early motors made the 2.7 engine look reliable. The first 1989 Carrera 4 I drove had less than a couple hundred on it and it was being returned to the dealer with oil leaks.

When I first visited the factory in December of 1992 it was such a sullen place that the workers on the lines were very, very tired and quite cranky. The guy I met at the factory was actually much more excited about the Mercedes Benz 500E that they were building and was launched for only one year when I got there, and that the same 500E was built in the same hall as the 959. They were very excited about this. They were as excited about building the 964 as the 944 it seemed.

With that said, I was never a 964 fan, and I cannot understand it having driven several. If they were reasonable, maybe I'd get a Carrera 4. But at the end of the day there are far better options than any 964 (think 993) that I can think of in a minute.
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