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I am planning on wiring the money on Monday. If someone else gets there before me thats OK.
Old 07-21-2018, 07:39 AM
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That guy paid $5k in 1990 to fix a car that was probably worth less than that at the time, and then held it another 28 years. If he hasn't changed the 5-blade fan imagine the amount of respect he must have had for the rest of the car.
I agree with Rick on this one. He was seriously into keeping the car original and correct down to the fan - he obviously had the dough to buy an 11-blade but did not - and he kept all the emissions. A car this clean is a midyear you never see for sale. '77s got the short end of the stick and the negative nods from Porsche people ever since the '70s, and as you know, Bruce Anderson killed the market.

The time of people drinking the SC Kool-Aid is over. People no longer see the SC as a superior car to a midyear. The SC is better in some regards, and on the other hand so is the midyear to the SC. Everyone always talked about the "bulletproof" SC engine - and never talked about the Divilar studs, etc, etc.

There are so very, very few '77s in this condition on the market (or in the entire world) that it's shocking. No one ever attempted to fix the midyear they had. They either sold it inexpensively or put a 3.0 in it. A car like this is incredibly desirable in the very fact that it survived like this.

I would take this over a SC any day. In the long run, it's going to be worth more, and the daily experience and its link with the old hand-built 911 will be obvious to the new owner.
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There seems to be few that value age or originality anymore. If those are not important than cool go buy a modded 2010 or newer
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I like this car a lot but don’t like the 5 blade fan and smog pump. Makes me worry that the thermal reactors are still under there. Originality is great and all but every 77 deserves an 11 blade fan, no smog pump and SSIs with sport exhaust instead of the thermal reactors and factory garbage exhaust.
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I like this car a lot but donít like the 5 blade fan and smog pump. Makes me worry that the thermal reactors are still under there. Originality is great and all but every 77 deserves an 11 blade fan, no smog pump and SSIs with sport exhaust instead of the thermal reactors and factory garbage exhaust.

Why worry about a couple of small manifold parts when you can remove them free of charge?

Ok, 1) Add an 11-blade fan=$1K, 2) Remove the smog pump (but you would not do this in several states, including California - this mod is free, 3) If the reactors are still under there then pull those with the heater boxes and add SSIs for $1500 and then you have a minty '77 Targa in a very rare color that's been well maintained with receipts for engine work.

Nowadays you could probably sell the 5-blade and the other parts knock a few hundred off your SSIs. Either way, I wouldn't worry about a couple weekends worth of work and $2500.
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Sal, I’m in 100% agreement with you on costs and relative ease of replacement parts. My worry is the heat-causing damage to magnesium engine and head studs from running a car with these parts in place. They should have been ditched when the engine was rebuilt.

I still think this car is a great buy but mechanicals will need a review.
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Here are a few more pics I took this AM. Thinking of buying at $31k. Thoughts?
That's a bargain for any well kept 911 which is what this specimen looks like.

If it, color, skinny bod etc, speaks to you, buy it. Spending $$$ on the mechanicals is par for the course.

One more thing I almost forgot, be certain it's free of rust.
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Sal, Iím in 100% agreement with you on costs and relative ease of replacement parts. My worry is the heat-causing damage to magnesium engine and head studs from running a car with these parts in place. They should have been ditched when the engine was rebuilt.

I still think this car is a great buy but mechanicals will need a review.
Yes, it would do the same damage as it did before. When my 2.7 was rebuilt by the last owner, it had an 11-blade, Carrera oil pump, reactors removed and replaced with manifolds, etc. Did it right. Then cheesed out and re-ringed the KS Alusils. Needless to say this shortcut is something that I'm paying for now.
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I think Richk11 is Itzames new handle on here...
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I went on Sunday to meet with the owner and supposedly go through his file of service records and paperwork. He can't find his file and the only paperwork he has is of the rebuild he did in 1990. Additionally he told me wanted a higher price. I am still waiting to see the paperwork and told him I would consider paying slightly more if he has all the service records.
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Well that blows
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I'd offer your original price with service records. I had a similar situation, I didn't get any records when I got the car. I approached the owner very enthusiastically and gave him time and he eventually went through his garage and found the stack of records which also included $200 in 356/912 books and manuals that I sold on the classifieds. You don't keep a 911 that nice and not keep the records.
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I should also say the common bond between the seller and buyer is the marque. You are carrying on the legacy of his baby/car. Approach it like that and you can seal the deal.
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Tell him you will give him his original price without the records. And offer another $1000 if he later finds them and sells them to you at that time.
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1k for records is probably right for a car this nice and original.
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I was more than slightly annoyed about the re-negotiation on Sunday.

I used Matt's logic...will increase my offer 1k if he finds his folder with the service records.

I am hopeful we figure it out in next 48 hours because owner is leaving town for 2 weeks on Saturday.
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I would be very reluctant to up my offer after there was an agreed upon price ..
Whatís to keep him from renigging once again ?
Unless you are expecting to keep this vehicle
for sometime I would now pass .
Yes it is a rare color , yes it appears to be in
excellent condition . Also looks to have no corrosion , this is hard to find in a mid year .
It does have its stock 2.7 CIS engine , the best thing to do with these often was to swap out for a 3.0 SC engine virtually tranforms the car.
My second Porsche after many years with a long hood was a Ď77 coupe from SOCAL ,
awesome car had a 3.0 in it after a few years
put in a 3.2!
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In the interest of total originality.... the car in the pictures is sporting 16 x 6 fuchs all around. They're not the stock wheels.

I also dont believe those H4 lights were original.
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I went on Sunday to meet with the owner and supposedly go through his file of service records and paperwork. He can't find his file and the only paperwork he has is of the rebuild he did in 1990. Additionally he told me wanted a higher price. I am still waiting to see the paperwork and told him I would consider paying slightly more if he has all the service records.
Bummer on the price change.

Unless you have a prior agreement with the seller, it's fair game. Good luck with the negotiation. Is this for a collection or for something to drive on nice summer days or nights ?
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