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Fake p-car ads...galore

I don't even understand the point of these ads; who still falls for this stuff?


https://columbia.craigslist.org/cto/d/black-black-1985-porsche-911/6642651621.html




Black/Black 1985 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe For Sale! - $13500 (Orangeburg)
Make:Porsche
Model:911
Number of Cylinders: 6
Exterior Color:Black
The 5-speed transmission shifts well and the clutch operates as it should. The Fuchs wheels are in good shape and the tires have less than 1000 miles on them.
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For what it's worth, I was told (or read somewhere) these fake ads are actually "phishing" to get legitimate emails. Perhaps the posters get a fee for a certain number of responses.
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….I bet people fall for these ads... didn't I just see a post from a guy who said he bought a 356 from someone, ...he sent the money, but hasn't seen the car yet, and can't get ahold of the buyer... c'mon people....
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Most scams work the same way. They are often deliberately designed to be obvious because they want to screen out the normal/intelligent people and filter down to the credulous, dumb ones. Those are the easy marks that make them money for the least amount of effort.

There's a distribution in intelligence and canniness of all subpopulations, including the subpopulation of air cooled Porsche buyers.
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You would be surprised how many people fall for these ads. Either sending a “deposit” or paying for a car that doesn’t exist.
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You would be surprised how many people fall for these ads. Either sending a “deposit” or paying for a car that doesn’t exist.
Ya the scarcity and speed with which good ones sell really compromises one's thinking. It makes dummies out of a lot of us, I guess.
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Yeah. Seems like the scammers are getting smarter and not “selling” a 911 anymore for $3500. When a scammer places an ad for one with a very low but realistic price the brain makes you want to do crazy things.
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I don't even understand the point of these ads; who still falls for this stuff?

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This same car was posted in the Las Vegas CL for 25k which still set off my red flag scam warnings, but at least that's somewhat more realistic. I was able to find the original for sale ad right here on pelican a while back. I still called on it, i figured what the heck. A few days later i started getting those spam IRS phone calls. Not sure if coincidence as I usually get a few scam business calls a year due to my line being my old business number.
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“I gotta get this before someone else does.” At least Itzame doesn’t have to worry about getting scammed.
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They go up all the time. I de-bunked two today, that were using my pictures of cars I found! One was on Facebook another was a CL ad that a guy posted on the 356 Registry website. Be careful out there. Follow my rules and you probably won't get scammed.

Rant on Scams, Advice for buyers and sellers. Flame Suit On!
First a word to sellers, there are a couple of things we can do to make it harder for the scammers.

1. It's important when you sell a car to watermark the pictures somehow. There are a million apps for this but you can also go oldschool. When someone I don't know asks me for pictures of a car, I say sure, and cover it in magnets. If they are interested in buying the car they don't care, if they are trying to picture flip or worse, just use the pictures their plans are foiled.
2. It's also why I always take pictures for ebay in the same spot in my shop, that way people recognize the place. I've actually had people call me and say someone was trying to sell one of my cars but they recognized my shop, so it works.

Next a word to buyers.
1. Be careful out there everybody, the more these things are valuable, the more risk, a wise man once said buy the seller not the car.
2. If you think you are being super clever staying up all night searching the dark corner's of the internet and found that Porsche listed on an obscure website and it's just your lucky day or you found some dealer in a small town with a slick website who just doesn't know what he has, don't send the deposit, it isn't your lucky day. If you found it on the internet the gig is up, anyone who can setup a website and take pictures of rare car, can do five minutes of research and won't put it on their site for half of it's true value.
Now if you're pumping gas in your 911 and some guy walks up to you and says he has his uncle's old Porch, do you want to come look at it, that might be real, but if you find it online and it seems like it too good to be true, it is. There was once a time when you could scan craigslist and jump on a deal, that day is long gone. I went to see a well known flipper in NYC several years ago, he had three Indian women sitting in front of computers hitting re-fresh on every craigslist, every classic car forum, and every other avenue every few seconds, that's why that dude calls you within 15 minutes of you placing an ad, trust me you can't compete with that, so if a craigslist ad has been up for more than 15 minutes and it seems like your lucky day, it isn't.
Bottom line, if you find a "super deal" on the internet there is a 90% chance that it is a scam, and if it's not, some flipper will offer the guy way more, and you'll be out of the deal. Another well known west coast flipper will always pay more, just to get people to stop trying. I once won a sealed bid estate auction for three Porsches. Once this guy found out it was me he said, "I'll pay 20% over whatever Adam bid!" Luckily, the seller was a gentleman and I got the cars. But he was willing to do anything to best me.
If you want a deal on a Porsche go out and make some friends, meet other Porsche guys, the best cars never see a for sale sign, they just quietly trade hands amongst Porsche guys. Most of the cars I buy are not advertised, people just know to call me, but all I do is make myself known. I seen some of the best deals happen between two friends, so if you are in the market for a Porsche, get out there and drive, don't surf the net, there are no deals there, but there are lots of scammers.
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Yup...I also saw the CL ad listed at the head of this thread - on the Maine CL just a few days ago, having been posted "one hour ago." Of course I knew it was not real...but as the ad seemed freshly posted, I did a mapquest search to get the estimated driving time between my home in Vermont and the supposed location of the car. Kind of like salivating at the mere thought of a nice piece of prime rib! Amazing how these cars can, on occasion, turn us into complete idiots!

At any rate, thank you, Adam...for keeping it real!
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Adam, so on the sellers side, what advice do you have?

A friend has a nice white 72 911T from Italy, with S option and has been reluctant to list it but has to sell it one day to help fund his retirement.
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Adam, so on the sellers side, what advice do you have?

A friend has a nice white 72 911T from Italy, with S option and has been reluctant to list it but has to sell it one day to help fund his retirement.
That's easy, sell it to me! Just kidding.

Ebay or BAT are both good venues for selling a 911.

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I guess that’s where some of your value comes comes in
Taking the risk away
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What annoys me is I think yes thats the colour combo and options I want and the mileage is about right, so now I need to find the real add for the actual car and see what the real seller is asking for it If it's actually for sale. I could email scammer and ask them where they stole the photos from.
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And another note to buyers: Be patient, get involved, go see the car you are looking at, check out the paperwork. There are lots of cars out there. They made tens of thousands of them. If you are serious about purchasing then be serious about seeing it in person. They won't all get snapped up and the more you are involved with your purchase (ie having the money ready, talking to the owner) and not relying on some photographs that you are viewing on the screen the better off you will be.
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Nonstop Pcar scams on CL where I live...... ...But I am one of those staying up late trolling the far coners of CL and one night found a car I was intrested in. Lots of red flags, my gut told me NO< NO< NO!!!! My wife said are you crazy...I didn't listen.

After a couple of calls and emails - both sketchy and not providining the info I wanted. All with excuses of I don't have email, don't know how to upload photos, it's my wifes account etc. I took a chance, drove 10 hours with 18 miles into the back woods, single lane road, could have murdered me and noone would find me ..... yup, a 74 Carrera that had been in the family for 40 years that is now mine. Not a great price, he knew what he had but a car I have wanted for many years which caused me to not listen to my gut.

We bite because we hear of stories like this and we hope we happen to be lucky that day.

I have also made these trecks and the car or the home address given has no car for sale.
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What annoys me is I think yes thats the colour combo and options I want and the mileage is about right, so now I need to find the real add for the actual car and see what the real seller is asking for it If it's actually for sale. I could email scammer and ask them where they stole the photos from.
google image search works sometimes. I caught a scammer with an enclosed trailer add. Not the best deal, but a good one. After a couple e-mails they come back with the; "I'm visiting my sister out of state" BS. I did an image search and found the same trailer at a Dealer in CO. I emailed them the Dealer add and never heard back.
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