The 2014 "water pumper" hate seems to have entirely died off. - Page 18

Rawknees'Turbo · 02-26-2020, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYNick

Yup, still want one myself.

NastyNick, I bet you'd look sweet in a skirt!!!

911heaven · 911heaven's Garage

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You’re all up in arms about the Cayman snob, but methinks you may be the actual Pcar snob.

Me? Snobby for trying to chat up a Cayman driver or joking about wanting to water board him after the event? You've got to be kidding! No, I think I hit a soft spot on the M2. 914? Bumble Bee was it?

I shouldn't have brought up that age old joke. I knew it would hurt some feelings, but I did it anyway. I guess I'm a 911 guy more than anything else. I've never once owned a 914, but does that make me snobby? I don't think so. As said, I have owned a 924 and it felt like an Audi. That's why I traded it straight across for a 71E euro 911 within a year.

With all the joking going across MP forum, is it snobby to make jokes about 914s? Maybe so, but others do it all the time. Does that make them all snobs too for their humorous comments?

Either way, I apologize for my jokes about Caymans, 914s and 924s.

bernie

Matt Monson · 02-26-2020, 08:17 AM

You are too easy to rile up, brother. There’s a 914 group called NARP. It stands for not a real porsche. 914 guys embrace the black sheep status.

NYNick · NYNick's Garage

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You are too easy to rile up, brother. There’s a 914 group called NARP. It stands for not a real porsche. 914 guys embrace the black sheep status.

They embrace it because they have no choice. It's always been considered a poor man's Porsche and it always will be. (well, always is a long time)

Back in the day, those POS' were considered Porsche wannabes overloaded with VW parts. And they were. The lackluster performance and sparse interiors were just icing on the secretary's cupcake; and a cupcake that rusted quickly too, I might add.

I plead guilty to being a 914 hater from day one. No style, no power, V-dub engine and a boatload of parts. I seem to remember you could just bring it to a VW dealership for service.

Of course, I justified my superiority back then because I was almost driving a 911; a 912, another car to look down upon.

But I came around (or grew up?) as has the market, almost. I think it would be fun to own a 2.0, but I'd rather have a 6 cylinder in it. I'm all about the fun factor and ease of maintenance these days. Must be the age thing.
(quit looking up my skirt Rawknees!)

Unobtanium-inc · 02-26-2020, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

NastyNick, I bet you'd look sweet in a skirt!!!

Wait, I thought we were talking about cars....

I'm sure there is a forum somewhere for what you're talking about, I don't know if Nick is there but someone is.

---Adam

dwelle · 02-26-2020, 08:51 AM

y'all funny.

much like raw's vaunted 930 needs serious mods to unlock the true performance of that car, so does the 914.

it's apparent most of you haven't ever driven a properly modded and set up 914 with good suspension and HP. it's faster, nimbler, and better handling than the 911: mid-engine balance, light, and low CG. it's like cheating.

and i'm a devout 911 guy! but in all honesty, the 914 is a sick platform for a "sports car"...

Rawknees'Turbo · 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

Wait, I thought we were talking about cars....

I'm sure there is a forum somewhere for what you're talking about, I don't know if Nick is there but someone is.

---Adam

There are at least four 914 fanbois that have posted in this thread, so this is definitely the correct forum for men(?) in skirts!!!

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y'all funny.

much like raw's vaunted 930 needs serious mods to unlock the true performance of that car . . . ..

So true, and that's one of the things that makes laugh when some peeps post comments about how this or that should not be changed from stock because the Porsche engineers knew best. Nonsense!

sugarwood · sugarwood's Garage

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

The guy I got it from set up the suspension for autocross, so lots of roll and sway. It makes for a funner ride, believe me. The guy's with the stiff Cayman's were all saying they wished they could roll like the 914 and all the 911's were having to slow to get through the gates, while I was blasting through full speed.

AX suspension tuning does not involve making a car corner like a Malaise era GM with 340,000 miles and a suspension made of Jello
Things like stiffer springs & anti-roll sway bars are to reduce body roll to maximize tire contact.

Unobtanium-inc · 02-26-2020, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood

AX suspension tuning does not involve making a car corner like a Malaise era GM with 340,000 miles and a suspension made of Jello
Things like stiffer springs & anti-roll sway bars are to reduce body roll to maximize tire contact.

What car do you autocross?

---Adam

sugarwood · sugarwood's Garage

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

The guy's with the stiff Cayman's were all saying they wished they could roll like the 914 and all the 911's were having to slow to get through the gates, while I was blasting through full speed.

I think this is a way of saying "my 914 is WAY less powerful than a Cayman or 911," which is of course true, but kinda misses the point. (He attributes body roll to being able to go flat out? No it’s the 80hp motor.)

I think the 914 is slow enough that the excessive body roll doesn't have much effect on the overall AX time, provided the driver can handle getting tossed around like a beach ball. It probably doesn't make it much slower, though it probably feels faster in a Mr.-Toad's-Wild-Ride seasickness kind of way.

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Originally Posted by sugarwood

I've done AX at Limerock and it was a better than a parking lot with 6 runs.
Worth paying more for a "legit" AX.

The difference between DE and AX is like the difference between the Kentucky Derby and riding a rodeo bucking bronco with one arm flapping around trying to keep your hat on.

Matt Monson · 02-26-2020, 03:02 PM

Seems about time for this old classic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtwJvgPJ9xw

I'll remark about historical VW vs Porsche elitism some other time. I've always found it laughable, especially the 914. Mericans always seem to forget that they were co-branded as a VW-Porsche in Europe, but made Porsches for marketing reasons here.

The motorsports pedigree of the 914-6 is solid. If VW hadn't overcharged for the rolling chassis, we would likely have seen a proper S version of it, but the car was just too expensive to make and was just as much as a 911 once they put the engine in it. It didn't make dollars sense.

Unobtanium-inc · 02-26-2020, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood

I think this is a way of saying "my 914 is WAY less powerful than a Cayman or 911," which is of course true, but kinda misses the point. (He attributes body roll to being able to go flat out? No it’s the 80hp motor.)

I think the 914 is slow enough that the excessive body roll doesn't have much effect on the overall AX time, provided the driver can handle getting tossed around like a beach ball. It probably doesn't make it much slower, though it probably feels faster in a Mr.-Toad's-Wild-Ride seasickness kind of way.

You didn't answer my question, what car do you autocross?

---Adam

dwelle · 02-26-2020, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

You didn't answer my question, what car do you autocross?

---Adam

autocross?!

he shifts at 3500 RPM!...

Rawknees'Turbo · 03:47 PM

RE M2"s comments - the VW connection didn't bother me too much when I was driving mine (in my late teens and very early twenties - one of the two suitable age groups for 914 motoring), but I did get a lot of ribbing about it. However, most of my acquaintances did not have anywhere near as cool a car, which I was always quick to point out to the ribbers. I was just glad to be able to have a Porsche that I could somewhat afford to buy and own (textbook example of the 914 being a poor man's Porsche - enabled by the Briggs and Stratton power plant, of course).

I've always thought they looked cool, in a oddball way, but they are just far to skinny for me - they look way better with flares, as do 911s.

And then there is the engine that is pathetically wimpy , if not built to an extremely high, hand grenade level - still wimpy, however, next to a blown six.

Matt Monson · 02-26-2020, 05:07 PM

First Porsche I ever got a ride in was a white 1970 914-6 our neighbor owned. He was a pilot for Pan Am.

I agree on the styling part. I love the Karmann Ghia. I always saw the914 as an “update” to it that didn’t quite work. It was too boxy but pop up headlights and mid engine were so so cool. They need the softening of GT flares to start to look like something of interest.