The 2014 "water pumper" hate seems to have entirely died off.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by Tonger

Wow - are you for real? Like nobody’s ever heard that before and now everyone is gonna think you’re even cooler?

Cmon man, maybe there’s one guy somewhere out there that hasn’t heard about the fried egg headlights and you can win the internet with that one next.

I actually like the way the 996 looks on the outside, I can get behind that. I'm just reporting what the guys at Porsche say around the water cooler.

---Adam

[Tonger]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

I stand by my original description of driving a 996, very sterile. A friend who works for Porsche said the joke there has always been the 996 was the car the accountant's built, one look at the interior will tell you he's right. Before I bought my 993 I drove a 996, a stock Anniversary Edition, and it reminded me of driving my dad's old Mistubhishi 3000, sure it made noise and all the gauges moved accordingly, but it was more like a video game, than a sports car. There was no fear of it getting away, no raw power, very refined, and very boring. I didn't buy it, and found my 993 a few months later. Now that car feels like a Porsche should, raw power, great handling, but just enough fear to keep you sweating in a curve.
And I'm talking about normal 996's, not Turbo's or GT3's, the normal ones that everyone stares at for $20,000 and says, "Wow, that's cheap for a 911."
There's a reason they are so cheap.

---Adam

Post#4 in this thread from October 2019 - looks like MM was right (again). Haters gonna hate, and rehate and rehate...

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by Tonger

Post#4 in this thread from October 2019 - looks like MM was right (again). Haters gonna hate, and rehate and rehate...

I don't hate the 996, it's just not as riveting as a 993. The good news is they have become very affordable so if you can't afford a 993, it's still a lot of car. Personally I would rather have a well sorted 914 over a 996, you can really break loose with one of those, but a 996 is a Porsche.

---Adam

[Kansas]

I’ve owned a 964, 997.1, and now a 993. And I’ve driven several 996s. No doubt the 996s are faster, better handling cars. I’ll give you that all day long. But they do not come close to having that exotic, sports car feel. My 993 and 964 just felt hewn our of rock, solid and incredibly well built, that will last for ages to come. I don’t give a rats about how much better the 996 will do on track day. The 996 will never be held in the same regard as an SC, 3.2, 964, and 993. It will quickly become the trans am of high school parking lots within the next few years. Those HS kids will be lucky to have so much “911” for the $$$.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

The 996 doesn't visually appeal to me personally (not nearly curvy enough), but daaaayyyuummmnnn, Adam, to say you'd take a 914 over one of those is too funny (your opinion, though, and each to their own)! I've owned two of those bisches in the past, including a fairly built one (big bore kit, cam, Webbers, etc.), and those are seriously slow cars (talk about "underwhelming") which are suitable for maybe teenagers or the very elderly! The only thing that makes a 914 a decent machine, if you can live with the shoebox lid styling, is to put a built or blown six, or bigger, power plant in there. At least with the 996 one can add some flares, a wing (a real one), and a splitter and then have a car that at least looks the part (a sports car - not an over priced grocery getter or a clown car)

[911boost]

MM is right...

I can’t think of a 993 variant that feels as sporty or “connected” as my .2 GT3 RS, but I best ditch and find a 993 right away....

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

I think this is more the 996 in it's "natural habitat", which is what we are talking about. The car you have pictured probably has $50,000 in mods, how does that have any bearing on what we are talking about?

I think you left off a zero. That's the 996 RSR that won LeMans in 2006. Just our sequential gearbox in it is around $50k. But then you have said that you only know air cooled and aren't up on water pumper stuff...

[NYNick]

I'd like to get a 914 just to tick off Rawknees.

[jhynesrockmtn]

I've never quite understood comparing each iteration of the 911 to the previous generation and the general dislike of the water cooled cars and SUV's that saved Porsche. Time and technology march on. I daily a 996 because it works well for that purpose. I agree they aren't the height of 911 styling although the widebody helps a lot. I need AWD in the winter and a heater and AC that work and it's a helluva car. At over 100k in mileage it looks like a new car. People can't believe how old it is when they ask. Compare it to its competition from Audi/BMW, etc. I also have an air cooled 911 and a couple of 914's including a 6 replica. They all serve a different purposes. I will end up with a 993 at some point because I love the looks of them and appreciate their niche in Porsche history.

[Vaive]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

A friend of mine works at Porsche and he said the joke at Porsche is that the 996 is the car the accountants built. One look at the interior and I can believe it.

---Adam

That is literally the first time I've heard that joke. Your "friend" is very wise and clever.

BTW you wanna hear a secret? Every car is built by accountants. Know why? Because car manufacturers are in business to make money. Weird how that works huh?

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by NYNick

I'd like to get a 914 just to tick off Rawknees.

Nasty, you could buy a 924, or even a Boxster , and I'd still think you were a cool dude! Hell, Adam is ok in my book and that bisch woods up for snail powered 356s!

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by Vaive

That is literally the first time I've heard that joke. Your "friend" is very wise and clever.

BTW you wanna hear a secret? Every car is built by accountants. Know why? Because car manufacturers are in business to make money. Weird how that works huh?

Most German car companies tend to get farther and farther out there in terms of spending and then get reigned back in. Remember the 88 Jetta GLI compared to the 91 Jetta GLI, night and day. So the accountants sometimes win the arguments, which I think they did with the 996 on a lot of issues. The problem is Porsche had the same problems everyone else does, they make the cars too nice and too expensive, and they have to dial it back. Remember how much that last 928 S4's an GT's cost, it was over six figures! So there is always a ebb and flow when it comes to spending on cars, but with the 996 the current was strongly with cost, the interior was no better than then the base Boxster, and that's not right.

---Adam

[pmax]

Originally Posted by NYNick

I'd like to get a 914 just to tick off Rawknees.

Trigger, not tick.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by pmax

Trigger, not tick.

That's mean to take a swipe at Nick's advanced age by pointing out his unfamiliarity with modern terminology, pNutz!

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by NYNick

I'd like to get a 914 just to tick off Rawknees.

hell, i'd like to follow ronnie in my 914 thru some twisties. see how he feels when i'm not getting smaller in his rear view mirror.

ha!...

[Helix8]

Thoughts on this anyone?

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1052042-2003-porsche-996-x51-race-car.html

to add a H2O pumper to my DE cars -

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by dwelle

hell, i'd like to follow ronnie in my 914 thru some twisties. see how he feels when i'm not getting smaller in his rear view mirror.

ha!...

You would likely hand me my ass on a silver platter, in the twisters, Big D, but on any short chutes, and definitely med-long straights, you would need binoculars to see me up ahead, ya bisch!!!

[matt930s]

You really let a lot go in this response....ya slippin, bisch...

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

You would likely hand me my ass on a silver platter, in the twisters, Big D, but on any short chutes, and definitely med-long straights, you would need binoculars to see me up ahead, ya bisch!!!

[dwelle]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

You would likely hand me my ass on a silver platter, in the twisters, Big D, but on any short chutes, and definitely med-long straights, you would need binoculars to see me up ahead, ya bisch!!!

only above 130 mph, rawdog.

then i throw out the white flag, i got no aero...

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by matt930s

You really let a lot go in this response....ya slippin, bisch...

Oh Jebuz, Big D talking about my "rear view" and his staying power!