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sugarwood 10-27-2019 07:38 AM

The 2014 "water pumper" hate seems to have entirely died off.
 
5 years ago, when someone would ask about a 996, they would be met with a barrage of "water pumper" name callling, not a real Porsche. 5 years later, I rarely hear this anymore. Have the last of the old codgers died off? Have they changed their tune and decided that the new cars are superior? What has changed? In 2019, if someone yelled "water pumper!" at someone in a 997 or 991, that'd just look foolish.

Matt Monson 10-27-2019 11:16 AM

The value of good meds cannot be overstated here.

NYNick 10-27-2019 11:51 AM

Matt Monson;10637718]The value of good meds cannot be overstated here.

...or the lack thereof.

Unobtanium-inc 10-27-2019 03:01 PM

I stand by my original description of driving a 996, very sterile. A friend who works for Porsche said the joke there has always been the 996 was the car the accountant's built, one look at the interior will tell you he's right. Before I bought my 993 I drove a 996, a stock Anniversary Edition, and it reminded me of driving my dad's old Mistubhishi 3000, sure it made noise and all the gauges moved accordingly, but it was more like a video game, than a sports car. There was no fear of it getting away, no raw power, very refined, and very boring. I didn't buy it, and found my 993 a few months later. Now that car feels like a Porsche should, raw power, great handling, but just enough fear to keep you sweating in a curve.
And I'm talking about normal 996's, not Turbo's or GT3's, the normal ones that everyone stares at for $20,000 and says, "Wow, that's cheap for a 911."
There's a reason they are so cheap.

---Adam
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matt930s 10-27-2019 03:22 PM

Yawn.

juanbenae 10-27-2019 04:11 PM

I think even 5 years ago the hate for the 996 had subsided. by 2014 they had long proven they were junk, just like shug's efforts to start epic threads.

Vaive 10-27-2019 04:56 PM

It wasn't designed by accountants, It was designed by engineers who understand their job is to produce a product that will sell a lot of units and make their employer a lot of money.

996 wasn't a "real" Porsche to the Porsche cool kidz. Just like Caymans, Cayennes, Boxsters, Panameras, Macans (and probably Taycans I assume) aren't "real" Porsches.

Meanwhile Porsche is printing money by the fistful selling fake Porsches, as the most profitable car company in the world.

I see 996s, 997s, Boxsters, etc as Taylor Swift. The purist snob music people look down on it as they listen to obscure Norwegian punk rock bands. Meanwhile Taylor sells out 80K seat stadiums nightly.

Alan A 10-27-2019 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc (Post 10637946)
I stand by my original description of driving a 996, very sterile.

Had a new 4S back in 02. My review back then would have been that it handles ok and the brakes were really good, but it’s not *that* quick. People were too busy hating on the Cayenne to worry about the 996 interior.

The real reason people stopped moaning - imo - is that even the 996 is 20 years old.

The pool of people wanting an air cooled porker. is graying out. Of course I’m in that pool because I want either a 76 or an M505 coupe, but still there are fewer people every year.

Way too many people I work with gush about plug in cars...

brianvb 10-28-2019 03:38 AM

I have a number of air cooled P cars, but my 996 with fab speed exhaust is amongst the funnest car. I beat the pizz out of it and I takes it. Itís light and loud and I love it .
By far the best 20.000$ Porsche you can buy. Not a race car or a show car. A good old fashioned Porsche you can drive and abuse, like air cooled used to be, before they went to pricey.
I think people are realizing that now.

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vaive (Post 10638093)
. . .
I see 996s, 997s, Boxsters, etc as Taylor Swift. The purist snob music people look down on it as they listen to obscure Norwegian punk rock bands. Meanwhile Taylor sells out 80K seat stadiums nightly.

Proof positive that the sheep of the world are easy to please. :)

Matt Monson 10-28-2019 03:57 PM

I don’t care what anyone thinks. I’m gonna listen to my favorite band and go jogging with my friends.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tvVoY-PTf6s

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 04:08 PM

^^^

This would be a more manly selection for you, M2, and inspirational. too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjyGPp__-w

Vaive 10-28-2019 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10638950)
Proof positive that the sheep of the world are easy to please. :)

There's always a subset of people who will look down on anything popular. Even if they secretly like the things that are popular. It's OK you can admit it, you think 996s are kinda cool. I won't tell anyone. I promise.

https://www.headstuff.org/topical/love-hate-popular/

For the record, I took my kids to a Taylor concert last summer and it kinda rocked. There I said it. :)

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 04:19 PM

^^^

I would not kick a 996 Turbo out of bed - anything with the brute acceleration that those supposedly have (have never driven one) can look anyway it wants to (except if it is some nasty flesh tone, excrement, goofy green, yellow, baby blue, or pink color it is going to get re-painted). I'm not one of those peeps that says a slow 911 is good because it "feels visceral and connected to the road" - no power equals big zzzzzzzs for me!

Taylor Swift is easy to look at, but I do not listen to pop music at all (couldn't name a song of hers) - obscure hardcore metal groups are my thing (some not so obscure, too, such as Slipknot - one of my favorites).

sugarwood 10-28-2019 04:21 PM

It's ironic that the purists used to scoff at the 996 as a "fake" 911, yet their biggest gripe was of the cheap plastic interior.
Yet, a purist driver would not give a damn about the interior. A race car does not even have an interior. Funny contradiction.

The other thing is that at track days, there are barely any air-cooled cars anymore.
There are tons of "water-pumper" Porsches like 996 & Boxster.
Water pumper to air cooled is like 10 or 20 to 1, at this point.

Anyone yelling water pumper now looks silly and clueless,
since "real" air-cooled Porsches are most often gathering dust,
while the "water pumpers" are out on the track, where they belong.

Vaive 10-28-2019 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10638991)
^^^

I'm not one of those peeps that says a slow 911 is good because it "feels visceral and connected to the road" - no power equals big zzzzzzzs for me!

Amen to that. If I hear one more person use the word visceral to describe old slow Porsches, I will cut a b**** right there and now. :D

Don't get me wrong, I think they're very cool and fun to drive and the look is timeless and classic. But when a Camry can out accelerate it, don't give me the visceral bovine excrement.

Vaive 10-28-2019 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10638997)
It's ironic that the purists used to scoff at the 996 as a "fake" 911, yet their biggest gripe was of the cheap plastic interior. Yet, a purist driver would not give a damn about the interior. A race car does not even have an interior. Funny contradiction.

Heh. I owned a 996 for a couple of years before I started reading boards like this. It was only then that I realized how much I was supposed to hate the interior. I hand't even paid attention to it, since, you know, it's a sports car and all.

Not sure if I'm supposed to hate a 997.2 interior or not. I know the Porsche cool kids say it's the bombiest of bomb water cooled. But the interior is still Taurus-like, I believe.

And then the same cool kidz will turn around and complain the 991, has too many creature comforts and isn't pure enough.

Matt Monson 10-28-2019 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10638971)
^^^

This would be a more manly selection for you, M2, and inspirational. too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjyGPp__-w

Iím a distance runner, not a sprinter. That puts my heart rate way out of the right zone straight from the start. Though we did have them play Metallica at our wedding.

sugarwood 10-28-2019 04:35 PM

The VW Beetle is also visceral and full of "soul".
Rear engine sweetness singing behind your head, no radio needed.
Only $3k instead of $30k !

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10639017)
Iím a distance runner, not a sprinter. That puts my heart rate way out of the right zone straight from the start. Though we did have them play Metallica at our wedding.

Here's a more long distance pace appropriate selection, but still big on badassery. PS - I've probably said before how much I love the fem-fronted hardcore bands - there are many of them that are successful in Europe (play huge stadium festivals, sell lots of albums, etc.) but are not even known in the US, for whatever reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJdWJXxF3Y

sugarwood 10-28-2019 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaive (Post 10639013)
Heh. I owned a 996 for a couple of years before I started reading boards like this. It was only then that I realized how much I was supposed to hate the interior. I hand't even paid attention to it, since, you know, it's a sports car and all.

Not sure if I'm supposed to hate a 997.2 interior or not. I know the Porsche cool kids say it's the bombiest of bomb water cooled. But the interior is still Taurus-like, I believe.

And then the same cool kidz will turn around and complain the 991, has too many creature comforts and isn't pure enough.

You are a real driver out there not stroking the dash and counting cup holders.

LOL, yes !!
Interior too bare bones? Whining about cheap interior and no cup holders.
Interior too nice? Whining about too many features and loss of the purist driver's car.

What a great example of car guys being petulant hypocrites who don't even know what they want.

Car guys are fools.
That is the answer to all car guy paradoxes.

Matt Monson 10-28-2019 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10639028)
Here's a more long distance pace appropriate selection, but still big on badassery. PS - I've probably said before how much I love the fem-fronted hardcore bands - there are many of them that are successful in Europe (play huge stadium festivals, sell lots of albums, etc.) but are not even known in the US, for whatever reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kJdWJXxF3Y

Metal in America is dead. Thatís the answer why.

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 05:17 PM

She is pop, and super weird, but dayyyuuummmnn, she can sing.

And speaking of Lady Gaga!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7cvquM3zNc


Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Monson (Post 10639054)
Metal in America is dead. Thatís the answer why.

No doubt about that. The peeps here seem to only want rap, country, and pop . . .

sugarwood 10-28-2019 05:18 PM

Rawk,
Odd music taste for an old guy ! I love it.
I'd peg you for the Pretender/Heart/Blondie/Fleetwood Mac demographic

sugarwood 10-28-2019 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10639078)
No doubt about that. The peeps here seem to only want rap, country, and pop . . .

Metallica and Kiss are 2 of the biggest grossing tours of 2019, across all genres.

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10639080)
Rawk,
Odd music taste for an old guy ! I love it.
I'd peg you for the Pretender/Heart/Blondie/Fleetwood Mac demographic

Ha ha - nope! :D

I was in junior high and high school in the 1980's, and then in my early 20s in the early 90s and really liked the metal scene at the time (total, "every weekend at the metal bars" type) - never lost the taste for it, and in fact, like much harder/heavier music now than I did when I was young.

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 10639083)
Metallica and Kiss are 2 of the biggest grossing tours of 2019, across all genres.

Guess some folks will still shell out for the oldies, but don't give two shiits about modern metal. It's unreal how many super heavy, metal bands there are in European countries, Asia and Russia. I'm just thankful for YouTube and Amazon - can find bands I like on YouTube and then buy their stuff on Amazon.

matt930s 10-28-2019 05:34 PM

Aldean....

Vaive 10-28-2019 06:46 PM

I wasn't into metal, but I liked Metallica. Everyone liked Metallica.

I saw them and GNR together. An odd mix of people too, preppie types (like yours truly) mixed in with hard core metal fans, stoners, you name it. Good times.

Alan A 10-28-2019 06:56 PM

This latest set of google floattover banner ads needs to be burned with fire.

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaive (Post 10639201)
I wasn't into metal, but I liked Metallica. Everyone liked Metallica.

I saw them and GNR together. An odd mix of people too, preppie types (like yours truly) mixed in with hard core metal fans, stoners, you name it. Good times.

That brought back a memory - I saw Metallica play at a "ballroom" (essentially a big bar) in Omaha NE in 1986, before they were widely known. I believe that Ride the Lightning was just released, or was soon to be released, and they had some small-time fame with Kill em' All, but were still considered a fringe band. Armored Saint was the opener. I waited all day in line with friends, and we ended up standing right in front of the stage. What a blast! :D


Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 10639208)
This latest set of google floattover banner ads needs to be burned with fire.

What are they (can't see them with the server I'm using)?

Unobtanium-inc 10-28-2019 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10639221)
That brought back a memory - I saw Metallica play at a "ballroom" (essentially a big bar) in Omaha NE in 1986, before they were widely known. I believe that Ride the Lightning was just released, or was soon to be released, and they had some small-time fame with Kill em' All, but were still considered a fringe band. Armored Saint was the opener. I waited all day in line with friends, and we ended up standing right in front of the stage. What a blast! :D




What are they (can't see them with the server I'm using)?

Sorry man, the 80s was all about Punk Rock.

---Adam


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1572319346.jpg

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 07:28 PM

Is that you, Adam?!

I hear that 80's Punk Rockers grew up to like Porsches that sport wheel barrow wheels and tires - dat' true?!?! :D

Unobtanium-inc 10-28-2019 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10639230)
Is that you, Adam?!

I hear that 80's Punk Rockers grew up to like Porsches that sport wheel barrow wheels and tires - dat' true?!?! :D

Yeah, that's me fronting The Creeps, we were awful, but it was punk rock, and the drummer always had groupies!

---Adam

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1572319906.JPG

Rawknees'Turbo 10-28-2019 07:52 PM

Man, that's great!

mooty 10-28-2019 07:55 PM

996 soso
996gt3/gt2: ignore the look, the dynamic is a high watermark for PAG

Vaive 10-28-2019 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10639221)
That brought back a memory - I saw Metallica play at a "ballroom" (essentially a big bar) in Omaha NE in 1986, before they were widely known. ?

That was me with Smashing Pumpkins. I saw them at a bar in '91 when nobody knew who they were. I kinda knew them, since I was into that scene, but they were largely unknown. Then a few week later, Gish was released and the rest was history.

sugarwood 10-29-2019 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 10639208)
This latest set of google floattover banner ads needs to be burned with fire.

Do you need to install AdBlocker?

pmax 10-29-2019 11:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U

Matt Monson 10-29-2019 11:40 AM

I used to party with these guys in the mid-90s. First time I ever saw them was in 1989 in the basement of a condemned building. It was a sort of sit in protest thing. Police broke it up with tear gas and it became a riot in the streets. I was a freshman at Cal.

It was years later that I met them through a girlfriend and her roommates. Also met and hung out with GreenDay through the same circle if friends.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBQ2305fLeA


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