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View Poll Results: Would you buy a vintage 911 without seeing it in person first?
Yes, if there were detailed photographs 17 28.81%
Yes, if I had an inspection by a reliable third party 20 33.90%
Yes, if it were a super deal 6 10.17%
No way without seeing it first 16 27.12%
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Buying sight unseen- would you risk it?

There is a thread going now in the technical forum, some poor guy bought a 1974 911 on Bring a Trailer that he refers to as a “smoke bomb”. He has a good attitude about it, but the fact remains that he is disappointed in his purchase.

BAT isn’t exactly buying sight unseen, but I’m curious if knowledgeable Porsche folks on this forum would buy a classic Porsche 911 without seeing it in person first?


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There is a thread going now in the technical forum, some poor guy bought a 1974 911 on Bring a Trailer that he refers to as a ďsmoke bombĒ. He has a good attitude about it, but the fact remains that he is disappointed in his purchase.

BAT isnít exactly buying sight unseen, but Iím curious if knowledgeable Porsche folks on this forum would buy a classic Porsche 911 without seeing it in person first?
Yep, Iíve bought 3 sight unseen, and was happy with all of them. I had them inspected by a 3rd party, obtained service history documentation from the seller, and got lots of pics. Itís always advisable to put your own eyeballs on a Porsche, but I live in rural Kansas. Not much inventory out here.🤣
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Bought 4 cars sight unseen and with due diligence all have exceeded expectations. There's always a risk though. I've looked at plenty of cars that looked great in photos but were turds up close.
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Think thereís a decent path to diligencing a car sight unseen, but it doesnít exist on BaT given the auction format and time pressure which favors the seller. I have time and more patience to diligence the next one and intend to use both.
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I would add that I’ve only bought “driver” lever cars, so a blemish, scratch or chip here or there doesn’t bother me. If I was buying a high end, concours lever car, I’d certainly not buy sight unseen.
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ive bought plenty sight unseen and sold even more. My partner sold over 200 cars on BAT nearly every one sight unseen.
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I’ve bought three cars site unseen. First one was a toss up, I knew it was either going to be a great deal or a bust. Turned out to be a bust but not a bad one. The second one was my current Targa, that one I felt very confident and was not disappointed. Third one was an 06 Mini Cooper JCW which we also still have and I was also not disappointed with it.

If you’re around these cars long enough you get a clear picture of what to look for and what questions/pictures to ask for to establish history. The right pictures, records and carfax can paint a fairly clear picture of a cars past.
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Best stuff I ever bought was sight unseen. 78 930, 75 911S, and a bunch of motorcycles. A life lived too cautiously is a life not lived at all.
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I’ve gotten burned doing it and done just fine doing it. I trusted a friend of a friend who was supposed to be my eyes on the ground and got screwed. I trusted Macroni and didn’t. I’m more careful these days.
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Yes. I've bought three cars sight unseen.

First was my old '96 Infiniti G20t. The variant I wanted was very hard to find so I wasn't going to find one remotely locally. Friend looked at the car for me in person, but the seller did a good job of hiding that the engine had been overheated and I got about two years out of it before I swapped a JDM engine in.

Second was my 911, which I bought from BaT. Seller was active here and had previously listed it here, was super open and honest and I had very high confidence that the car was exactly what I thought it was, which it was.

Third was my Saab, also on BaT. Seller also open and honest, flew to Vancouver to drive it back home and car was as presented.

If There is lots of available information on the car and its history and I get the right vibe from the seller, I'd do it again. The bit about the seller is crucial because you're buying the seller as much as you are buying the car. Also, realism helps. All of my purchases have been driver-level cars and I'm realistic.
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If we are talking about a collector or vintage vehicle then absolutely not.
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I've gotten surprised in both the good and bad ways. The picts always look great. Generally you can get a good feel for the person by the sound of their voice, and how knowledgeable they are. You can also buy a car in person and then realize it's a big piece of junk.
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Very happy with my BaT purchase 5 states away in 2019. Little silver coupe was just as described or even better. Had confidence in the seller after the first few text messages.
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I have a couple of times. I bought a 911 from a long time poster on Pelican and didn't really know what I was doing. This was years ago. It was ok but I could have been smarter about it. The inspection was a joke and I should have walked at that point but ultimately it was a good learning experience.

The latest one I was going to go see the car but COVID. I found a 356 that was RNM on BAT. I tracked the seller down through the Registry and this time had a very thorough inspection done at RMG enterprises in Sunnyvale.

The BAT listing was pretty good. Lots of records. Long term CA ownership and black plate car.
The 356 crowd there seemed to approve. The inspection went well. I cancelled two trips to go see it and just decided to rely on RMG and if I really didn't like it could walk away when I drug my wife down to pick it up.

We made the trip and the car was and has been better than I was expecting. The 911 is long gone, of course sold way too cheap back in 2010 or so. I won't sell the 356.
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I have also bought three cars without seeing them first, including my 1972 911T. All good experiences. But I am a super lucky guy. And I had all of the cars inspected by shops of my choice.
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Its always a roll of the dice if you buy sight unseen. If you go into it knowing the risks you're usually fine, unless the seller is a real jerk. I had one one time, the seller has since switched his name 3-4 times and is banned from here and most other forums, I told him I didn't need to import rust to NY, we have plenty. He said there was some bubbling on the doors but nothing serious. The car arrived and the pedals were hanging in mid air. I called the seller and he said, "Look, the car photograph's really well, just throw it on ebay, you'll do fine."
My response was, "So you want me to do to the next guy, what you did to me?"
He said, "Look bro, I'm giving you an out here."

I didn't take his advice, I resold the car at a loss, but like I said he has since changed names multiple times and is banned from most platforms, a real piece of work.

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I would but Iím cheap and slow so by the time Iím ready to do something theyíre gone. I can move a lot faster on a local car so probability favors something nearby.
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I bought two 911 cars unseen. Just assume there is more wrong with it than they are disclosing and pay accordingly. Once you receive it, fix/change what bothers you and move on - enjoy it. It’s all the over thinking that will make you unhappy.

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