Opinions on value for 69E Sportomatic?

[911heaven]

The car is in Japan, Japanese dealer car ROW invoiced 1/69 to Mitsuwa Motors according to Porsche Archives, and matching #'s as they have said. Vin is 002X, so very early, Karrman body. Color is Light ivory. Milage is 43k less in Km.

This could be a long story, and it is. To keep it short I 'll say positive points or issues still both.

Positive is the milage is true. Mechanically it goes and I spent a lot of time and money to get it there.

Issues, it still needs restoration, body and paint, interior. Specifically it needs a front partial suspension pan change, though I have already purchased the upper/lower pan and hook new parts.


Tomorrow I'll take it out for a 2 hour run and take some honest pics. Today I changed out the O ring in the rear thermostat and that, the last of about 12 oil leaks I've fixed. Also I ran it for ten miles to a gas station and put some new high octane gas in for the run tomorrow. Hopefully I can post some photos tomorrow. Thank you for any opinions everyone.

[geshaghi]

I recently sold my 73 911E sportomatic at Gooding. Very nice driver level car with 120,000 miles and a documented rebuild at 100k miles. The car hammered at $69,300 including the buyer’s premium, and was purchased by a dealer. The dealer listed the car for $89,000 and a prospective buyer tracked me down to ask about the car. He made a deal at $84,500. There’s a much narrower market for a sportomatic.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by geshaghi

I recently sold my 73 911E sportomatic at Gooding. Very nice driver level car with 120,000 miles and a documented rebuild at 100k miles. The car hammered at $69,300 including the buyer’s premium, and was purchased by a dealer. The dealer listed the car for $89,000 and a prospective buyer tracked me down to ask about the car. He made a deal at $84,500. There’s a much narrower market for a sportomatic.

Thank you George. That is a special year 73! If it were an S you'd probably have doubled that or more on a driver, especially a manual. I don't know if there were any/many Sportomatic S's. Narrower market is for sure, much narrower I'd guess. All it takes is one guy I'm thinking. As promised, I took the car for a spin today and took some pics. I'll put some up from now. Sorry it's so filthy. No time to clean it up and a year ago I drove it last for a day. I didn't have time to clean and polish then either.

[911heaven]

Here are 20 pics I took today, sorry so many.

Some parts missing I have. Door pockets are shot. Gas pedal I have new but not yet installed. The one in photo is off my 89 BTR. Gas tank is wrong, but I have an original I am restoring. Deck lid grille is straight but still in CA Costa Mesa. Rear deck lid is factory alloy, yet not on the option list from Porsche archives (later added). Roof had some dents, bondo and surface rust, I stopped the rust anyway. Bonnet had the patch with bog over and rust coming through. I stopped the rust, discovered the patch. Tires are like new and dated 2012, so I think someone tried to have a go at this car then but just didn't make it. They also patched the floor hole front of the gas tank with sheet metal and rivets. I did an FRP quickie job just to pass safety inspection 3-4 years ago.

My hope was to sell it here as a dealer car where it gets a 30% premium over gray imports. I just can't wait forever for the right paper work to come through. Title was lost years ago probably from deceased PO. It was passed around, but I may not wait that long for the paperwork and bureaucracy. Therefore I pursue an export idea.

Again, thanks for any opinions on this car value in the greater market.

bernie








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[911heaven]

The other pics here..

[1979-930]

I like it.
I'd own a sportomatic car. A Long hood car isn't something I'd buy to hot rod anyway.
I would prefer a unique color if it's going to be a sporto.
I have no idea what it's worth though.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

I like it.
I'd own a sportomatic car. A Long hood car isn't something I'd buy to hot rod anyway.
I would prefer a unique color if it's going to be a sporto.
I have no idea what it's worth though.

Thanks Deez! I agree it's a hard one to peg. Color wise here would be optimum. In 88' when I landed every car on the road was freaking white nearly. People here, would sh-t themselves on the vintage color on a dealer car like this. As you know, there's more than one way to skin a cat. One strategy I've considered is to export it and bring it back to Japan (possibly have some resto work done cheaper while in country like NZ). Therein all data goes blank on DMV here. Bring it right back to Japan, import it as an import and easy local registration at DMV here and then domestic sale at the 30% premium. The down side for me is more money to do that, then I'd be tempted to restore it further at more cost. I'd rather export it and be done, cut my losses and run so to speak. I really need to focus on my 89' and finish that out. I'm not getting any younger...

[1979-930]

Is that a factory 8-Track I see? That's cool.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

Is that a factory 8-Track I see? That's cool.

It is. In the glove box there's some other contraption insert that also fits into the 8-track slot. Not sure how it all works though. Used to listen to Nazareth Hair of the dog, Aerosmith etc on 8-track in the 68'
Camaro while cruising main back in 80' in small town NV. No amatuer on 8-track mind you.

[MAH77]

I have the sister to that car. 69e with a 901, still has MFI, originally beige, now Ivory. Without seeing the rust in the front it's hard to know how that affects price. I also have no idea how it being a sporty affects pricing. If I had to guess I would think $50-70k, but that's a shot in the dark because there are so few 69e that actually come to market and sell. I would honestly take a look at 69-71 T pricing in similar condition and add 35-50%. But again there are so few condition 3-4 Es that come to market it's a real crap shoot.

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by MAH77

I have the sister to that car. 69e with a 901, still has MFI, originally beige, now Ivory. Without seeing the rust in the front it's hard to know how that affects price. I also have no idea how it being a sporty affects pricing. If I had to guess I would think $50-70k, but that's a shot in the dark because there are so few 69e that actually come to market and sell. I would honestly take a look at 69-71 T pricing in similar condition and add 35-50%. But again there are so few condition 3-4 Es that come to market it's a real crap shoot.

Interesting perspective MAH77. Something I never thought about either that few 69e come on the market sporto or not. Would be cool to see pics of your sister if you have any, compare the sisters? How many sisters do you have?

[1979-930]

My first 8 track was Aerosmith; Toys in the Attic.
Now it’s a digital download on my phone. I’ll never outgrow 70s rock.


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[pmax]

Get rid of those goofy earlets Bern and the value will bump up !

Is that from a Z ?

[touringmandan]

Can we call the the first PDK? (with just the 1 clutch- PEK?)

[911heaven]

Originally Posted by pmax

Get rid of those goofy earlets Bern and the value will bump up !

Is that from a Z ?

That is actually a brilliant idea I hadn't thought of pmax! I will think on it. I have a new OEM drivers door mirror a friend in Okayama gave me (former Porsche dealer). He gave me the brake pedal rubber new as well and a few other parts after I found him some parts 914 cylinders and heads or 9ll T equivalent a Kobe friend had. Just an introduction direct.

If I do that though, it will leave gaping round holes in the top of the front fenders. That won't look nice even if I put some CB antennas on both sides. Who needs 2 CB antennas? I thought the patina is of optimum importance as Matt Monson generally gripes about. If I get rid of them, it may create another problem and more work, much worse, Matt probably wouldn't approve of it.

[1979-930]

Holes in the fenders will look better than those mirrors.


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[matt930s]

No fenders would look better than those mouse ears.

[911heaven]

Aight! I'll get those buggers off of thare... give me a few days. If I do I'll snap a couple more pics before and after.

I probably won't mount the door mirror (new OEM one) immediately though. In that case I would have to meticulously search for the mount holes that are bogged up and no time since I'm full on back to work in a week or so til late July. Trying to do some planting before that happens. Yesterday prepped the veggie patch, today it rained. I'm afraid to plant still since we get late frosts at night even in April.

Something, maybe intuition, tells me if I eventually sell the car domestically, there may be an older Japanese gentleman who might be partial to those mousey dog ears. Someone here back in the day put them on there to begin with. It could have been Mitsuwa Motors at the request of the original customer who knows? I'll keep the holes, and the mirrors in a box just in case. Several years ago when I did the saftey inspection at local DMV (Rikuji or Rikunkyoku) a guy I know offered to buy it as is on the spot. I declined then because I didn't have a title. Now I do.

[911heaven]

I never got a solid value here, yet this is what I'm thinking. Lots of issues to think about and it is a Japanese dealer car which gets 30% mark up here on grey market. I have a prospective buyer perhaps who will offer a price. I don't know the offer yet but we are getting closer to that. I won't take less than 40K. Am I on top of my game? Want to sell, yet this car belongs here and with the low miles and the vintage I think that is fair. Don't you?? Thanks for any insight.

bernie

[Munky King]

I’m no expert, though I am in the market and currently trying to convince myself to pay up for a 912.
At the moment, a decent 912 (decent being without rust holes and running) sells for $30k and up.
It’s got to be worth at least your $40k. I would think closer to $50k personally, if it’s up and running.