Anyone else have a car get rejected on BAT? I did.
 

First off I apologize this isn't a Porsche. But we talk about BAT a lot here and I submitted a car that got rejected. I'm a little stumped on why.

Does anyone know if it's just the roll of the dice with who reviews the cars and makes the decision? My car is twice the car compared to others on their site right now.

So here is the CL link to my old Saleen I built. It was my son's first car until he cooked the engine. And this isn't the best car to send him to College in anyway.
I actually made a deal last night for $20k plus $400 delivery. So not getting accepted isn't a big deal. It just seems weird for this car to get rejected. Too many mods? Chassis miles? Just bad luck on who reviewed the car?
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/rocklin-saleen-speedster-mustang/7682992440.html

Here is a similar car on BAT right now.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-mustang-steeda-convertible-95-q-02/

I would guess 181000 miles.

They reject a ton of cars. They rejected my rust free restored ‘71 Ghia and never gave me a reason why other than they weren’t running any of those at the moment, only to let some rust bucket one run the following day with a reserve. They’re very fickle.

Mine was only rejected by the bidders, only to then be adored by the bidders when the ****er flipped it.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-mercedes-benz-sl500-148/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-mercedes-benz-sl500-182/

That’s my guess. But that’s only on the body.
Everything has been rebuilt or replaced. With the chassis supports and Griggs suspension the car is very solid.


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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-marketplace-discussion/1148815-there-good-time-year-sell.html

It really is wild how seasonal classic car sales is. I'm going to be selling my F250 but not until April.

They're not fickle they're biased towards dealers/flippers.
I submitted an extremely nice one owner early 911 (for a customer) and BaT insisted on setting an absurdly low reserve. I declined then ran an experiment. Contacted a flipper and had them submit the car. They got a realistic reserve and the car immediately accepted. I pulled it and it sold the next day for more than asking price.
I've also caught a vendor selling stolen items and called them out on it. BaT removed the post as "non constructive" while allowing some egotist in the peanut gallery to say "nothing to see here, bid with confidence".
These are the type of people you're dealing with.

They definitely defer to their frequent power sellers. They beat me up and hard-lined me on my S2000 reserve then let another one run a week later from a dealer, same year, same mileage, same condition and it didn't meet reserve at $500 over my selling bid.

We don't sell cars between November-March. People tend to focus on other things we found when we sold cars in this period it was usually to another dealer, who would sell again in the Spring.

---Adam

Did you look through to see if the people making negative comments were the same making positive comments on the flip?


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Spot on. You see the same dealers selling cars for ridiculous prices and all of their groupies singing their praises. There is also something funny going on with the same car being sold over and over again by different dealers.

BAT has gotten too big for their britches. I sold two cars through them. On my third car we were apart by $20k on reserve. I said I would go down by $15k, they would NOT budge. I took the car to PCAR market, and got my price. BAT missed out on $5k max commission. Dumb move on their part.

I’ve sold a few cars through BAT. Not just my cars but friends cars as well. I find that doing your own value research before requesting a reserve is a plus. I’ve had to go back and fourth with them. Having comparables on hand helps. Be prepared to meet somewhere (reserve wise) that is fair. Keep in mind that what is valuable to us (as owners) may be not so valuable to a potential buyer. BAT is not the only online auction house just the most popular.

BAT doesn’t run on logic. You’ll see very nice stuff sell way under market value, then hot steaming garbage sell for crazy money. Seems to be a roll of the dice.

That is very true but sometimes I see sellers not going an extra inch on their listings. Lack of detailed photos is an example. No underside photos or very minimal underside photos. Then you have sellers who won't replace minor damaged or missing parts. A little bit of legwork goes a long way. Some of the garbage stuff has very good presentation. Some of the very nice stuff has a lazy presentation. It really is a hit or miss but then again, the same can be said for a place like RM Sotheby's. They just sold a modified Mercedes EVO2 with TMU (as the original cluster was not available) yet they claimed it was original miles plus their online photos were from 2016....sold bid was $544k...now that's nuts..lol

Totally populated by "dealers" and wanna be dealers.....

Sad....

Cheers

A lot of it is "the roll of the dice with who reviews the cars and makes the decision?" I submitted a 74 Lotus Europa TC w/5spd. Well-worn car in need of restoration but very complete... the write-up was straight forward and descriptive for that type of car, and the pics showed everything described. It was rejected, while within the next week there were a couple of cars listed that looked as though they had been pulled from a lake after 50 yrs!! Clearly being purchased for nothing more than their Vin #s in opinion.

However, on the flip side others have been successful at having multiple cars accepted and sold on BaT. And yes, there is also a lot of trading between dealers that have some behind the scenes dealings goning on too.

My sister's 1975 911S just sold for asking price($20k)

BAT would not let her set a reserve price.

I listed it on the PCA Mart, and the buyer contacted me the first day.

I hear the flatbed came to pick it up today (it is in Calif, I am in Hawaii)

I think your sister did well!

There's no question BaT caters to its dealer high volume sellers who are routinely selling sketch cars to unknowing buyers. BaT is a seller's site and the 7 day format does not allow for proper due diligence. Only a fool buys a car on BaT - of course there are a few exceptions when the buyer can put eyes on the car and seller, etc. However for the most part, buyers are paying way too much for cars with stories and needs.

There is less likelihood your car will be rejected if you allow it to be listed at No Reserve.

But that's a high risk considering the wild swings in attitude shown by the Peanut Gallery and the bidders who take them seriously

I just sold an 87 924S on BAT. The listing went smooth. It was accepted and listed quickly. While BAT offered me a reserve I decided to do a no reserve listing. I have listed cars for a friend on BAT since I have history with them. My advice is don’t get hung up on your asking price, be reasonable and flexible. Do your due diligence on actual sold prices. Have your facts ready and not your emotions. Have very detailed photos and if possible, videos too. Title should be under your name or the owner’s name. Try to have as much information as possible, especially as a first timer. If your listing is approved and the listing goes live, be prepared to interact with the commentators in a timely manner. Communication is key. Overall, be honest about your listing to the best of your ability.

Whereas this is a great example of how NOT to sell on BaT. Ratty car, unengaged seller coming across as less than forthcoming.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-porsche-911-carrera-cabriolet-23

BAT rejects 90% of cars

That's true but not the whole story, or exactly accurate. At this point BAT has a pretty fined tuned formula. Well presented cars from knowledgable sellers, sold at no reserve.
This is what they want. Any deviation from that and you can probably count on selling the car somewhere else. You might get accepted, but your chances are a lot lower. So they aren't necessarily rejecting 90% of cars, but 90% of sellers, that's far and away two different things. Which is why you might see the same car the next week, very similar to the one you got rejected.

---Adam

That may be true but I'm on BAT everyday and I would say only around 30% of the cars are no reserve. Noticed a slight uptick in the last 6 months, but there are still plenty of cars sold at reserve.

Me personally, the idea of selling no reserve on that site scares the crap out of me.:) If that was the only way I could get something of mine on there, no thanks. I'll go elsewhere.

Personally I think contracting with one of the Dealers (BAT Partners) that have a lot of fanboi's on there would be the way to go. More than likely would get a higher reserve and more bids because of the Dealer. Their fee would probably pay for itself with the better outcome. That's what I plan on doing in the future.

I think you're starting to see the big picture, return sellers, most of them dealers, are dominating. Again, BAT wants to go with knowns. The question here is how does the average dude get his car on BAT? No reserve is the surest way, if he balks at the reserve or becomes a problem for BAT they will move on. They don't want argumentative sellers or snippy people who are touchy about their cars. If they see you as over-valuing it right off the bat (no pun intended) they might think you'll be a problem. Amateur sellers are also a problem because they welch. It happened to me, I won the bidding on a 911, the seller said he wouldn't sell it where the bidding ended, at no reserve. Sure, he will never sell on BAT again, but they probably have a good idea at this point who will be a problem and who won't. They want it smooth and professional.

---Adam

Slight hijack but didn't' think worth starting a new thread.

Look at this... ouch! I feel for the guy.

https://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/1152906-1987-porsche-944s-sale.html

Anyone else have a car get rejected on BAT? I did.
 

That is the big risk of buying a cheap car on BAT.

But I’ve been hosed on private purchases too.
My son’s 335i was wrecked with a clean carfax. Guy must have fixed it himself to avoid title issues. Luckily my son got in a minor fender bender. So with the help of a friend, that owns a body shop, we fixed the car correctly on insurances dime.
I don’t care about the resale value. It’s a hot rod turbo now.


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BAT=Sucks
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