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Porsche Crest Value of a 1976 2.7 Carrera

Hello all,

First time here and I would appreciate your help. What would the value of a fully retored and original LHD 1976 Carrera 2.7lt be? I think build number 88 of 123.



Much appreciate all your feedback!
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Are you just curious as to what it's worth, or looking to sell? I know of at least 2 people who are actively looking for one of these. Email me: jpnorthwood@aol.com if you'd share more info and I'll share with you what someone might be willing to pay.

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I would also be interested if this car is for sale.
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Received and email yesterday that the car sold over the weekend to the UK for $195,000 Austrialian dollars??!!! The poster didn't own the car, but wanted to broker a deal.
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Pardon my ignorance, but what's special about this car? $175K US is a lot of change for what I think this car is...
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Hi John,

That is a very high figure for non-original Carrera 2,7. If that amount is correct this is the highest figure I have seen for the sale of one of these MFI Carreras and the first I have seen where there was a significant premium paid for a '76 car.

I have waiting for the market to differentiate a '76 Carrera over a '74 or '75. They are a homologation special and in several countries were homologated as an 'RS'. Of course this assumtion may not be correct, the buyer may not have known there is a difference with these 123 cars and the previous Carrera models.
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Hi Brain,

I read the posters email to me again and the 'selling' price was $165K Austrailian dollars, not $195K. Last one I had sold just under $70K. And a left hooker to the UK? Again, doesn't add up.
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I know of a couple of very nice ones that have sold for $100K plus but none anywhere close to $150K! I wonder, if this figure is correct, if it was bought with historic racing in mind in Europe. I have heard of some racing series that require the Carrera VIN to be made into an 'RSR'.
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Ok, so the car is what I think it is, and the price is way out in the left field. I'm not losing my marbles...
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I know this car. It was restored locally but not to what I would call absolute factory correct. It had been on the market here for a little while with a big asking price and no takers.

Not surprised it went to the UK. $100k sterling give or take is plenty of money for this car I would have thought. That said its a 76. The market does seem to differentiate between the 74-5 cars and the 76 ones, seems to be a 20% premium like for like or thereabouts.

Hard to know how to place the 76 cars. They arent super rare a la 3.0RS or SCRS etc but they are a homologation car so MFI could be used in 76 competition, more of a run out special. The "9" vin is only because they couldnt use 6 as per 74-5 as the Carrera 3.0 was out already by then. Nice car but it didnt float my boat.
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hey is it restored to mint condition
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The "9" vin is only because they couldnt use 6 as per 74-5 as the Carrera 3.0 was out already by then. Nice car but it didnt float my boat.
That's wrong!
All '76 - 2.7 Carrera were #911 660 xxxx
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Sorry but you are WRONG! (see nobody likes to told they are wrong with an exclimation point)

The VIN range for the '76 Carrera 2,7 coupe is 9116609001-9116609123. There was also 20 Carrera Targas built that ended up as dutch police cars.

The engine serial # is 6668XXX.
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Sorry but you are WRONG! (see nobody likes to told they are wrong with an exclimation point)

The VIN range for the '76 Carrera 2,7 coupe is 9116609001-9116609123. There was also 20 Carrera Targas built that ended up as dutch police cars.

sorry, my fault!
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I thought you meant VIN 911 690 xxxx, not 911 660 xxxx
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I believe this car has the wrong wing/whaletail (it was probably delivered sans tail - as most were).

If it did come originally with a tail , it (normally) would have been the no second grill version (unless built with AC , which I doubt ANY of these cars was). Of course anything is possible - and if ordered & built with a tail , possibly no non- 2nd grill versions were at hand when the car was assembled. I never say never until I know for certain . If it came with no tail , then it was the same for the front spoiler (none originally) . They come as a package (although cost charged individually).

If anyone references the red Freisinger restored example (911 660 9041) as to also having a 2nd grill whaletail . Even though this statement was (and still is possibly) on his website :

"has had no technical modifications done to it and is 100% original"

The tail was added during the restoration by Freisinger. I noticed it when he was advertising the car and asked him about it (just goes to show you - do your research).

Another strange anomaly concerning these cars is that either way : with a plain rear decklid or a whaletail. They never came with Carrera badges on the rear (again , on all the versions I have seen which I could assertain were original).
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More on 2nd grill vs. non - 2nd grill whale tails: As far as I can tell (and have noted on existing cars) , the NORMAL Porsche build procedure POST 1975 for street cars (non turbo), was 2nd grill tail for AC cars / no 2nd grill tail for cars without. Again , of course , that does not mean that a 2nd grill version could not "ever" have been installed by the factory on a non AC street Carrera. Shortages , just plain not caring , or a mistake by a car assembler , is always a possibility.

On 1975 Carrera's , it seems the 2nd grill whaletail was not used - even if the car had AC. Although , for some reason , on 1975 930's (with AC AND without) it was. Most likely because of the extra heat a turbo motor generated.

1974 RS 3.0's seem to be an exception.... (but then those aren't REALLY street cars. It was known most would be upgraded to race. And they were also needed to be built just to homologate the 3.0).... the very first's had no 2nd grill whaletail (look at frere's book - the Factory example) , but the bulk did.

There are various versions of 2nd grill AC whaletails - Carrera AND 930 (with parts and pieces added) , but i'm not going to get into that.
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Back to this white 76 2.7 Carrera (911 660 9088 ?) :

Also , normally, these cars were built without a passenger side mirror - and i've seen photo's of the majority that have popped up in the world in the last 25 years. Again though - you never know. I can only attest to how all the examples I've seen have been. I have never seen another that was built with a passenger side mirror. And that's even on an example built with sunroof (M650) , electric windows (M651) , & Automatic Heating Control (M424) . All luxury options that were normally not on these models - yet it still had only a drivers side mirror (again like all I have seen , with the expection of this white example being asked about).

Since it's been "restored" , anything as far as originality , is up for disection/review.

And what makes this even harder is that:

Porsche records for options is not always 100% accurate. Not only are the U.S. COA 's known for sometimes not having all options listed. Even from the original factory records in DE. Sometimes options are not noted that a car was actually originally built with. At least that is what I found on other examples of this model (and other models/years also).


So then , this was/is car 911 660 9088 ?

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Hi .
On mobile.de there are 2 '76 2.7 Carreras for sale.
#9030 at 200k euros.
#9084 at 250k euros.
These prices seem unbelievable!

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OK,
Now I am confused. One guy in this thread says it was restored by Freisinger in Germany. Another seems to suggest it was restored down under in Australia. Where was it restored?
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Hi,

The ad on Pistonheads for this white one states that it is 660 9083 with Engine No 666 8113.

However 660 9088 was for sale in Australia a couple of years ago as a race car. It had photographs of it on track in white but with blue and red graphics. I will try and find the photos and post.

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911 660 9088

Looks like this has no sunroof and chrome rather than black trim and I can't see a grill in the rear spoiler.

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Interesting,

So the white car that started this particular thread does not seem to be 9088 , unless they added a sunroof ! (not likely) . Or the Gwhite just posted photo car (on track with graphics) was originally listed for sale with the wrong chassis number ? Or he noted it in his files incorrectly ? Or the sunroof is there but not able to be seen in this particular photo (it does not seem there to me on the car ) ?

Again , anyone know the correct number of this recently traded out of Autrailia white sunroof , dual sidemirror, 660 car ? (the reference to the Pistonheads ad is correct with 9083 ?).

If i'm reading these later posts correctlly (and the information is correct) :

The white car starting this thread discussion is 660 9083 . AND the white car Gwhite just posted the photo of is (graphics on racetrack) is 660 9088 ?

I looked on mobile.de this morning , and I did not see the other 2 cars mentioned (9030 & 9084) . Am i missing them , and they are actually listed there ?

Also, when i looked at the photo of the ( post starting / 9083 ?) car again this morning , besides the other things I mentioned , door panels & the obvious steering wheel are changed out.

To the person who thinks I said the white car (Austrailian ?, again the first pictured car of thread) was restored by Freisingser .You need to slow down and read things a bit closer. It was only in referance to a 2nd grill whaletail.

A responce to Black Lotuses opinion regarding the use of the "9" digit :

Black Lotus:
"The "9" vin is only because they couldnt use 6 as per 74-5 as the Carrera 3.0 was out already by then. Nice car but it didnt float my boat."


First off, I'm not quite understanding this statement as BOTH the 1976 3.0 & 2.7 Carrera's have "6" for the 5th digit (and also obviously "6" as the 6th digit , for year 197"6") . And if you mean a 9 was used in the 7th digit location (1st digit of sequential) to differentiate the 1976 2.7 carrera from the 1976 3.0 Carrera , I agree. But I believe it was because of the homologation.

The numeral "9" (in Vins) , & "8" in motor or trans serial numbers - 99% of the time seem to have been used on the cars and engines / tranny's that were made for homologations of 100 units.

And furthur more, as to which was built first . Here's a statement I found awhile ago and saved by the late Warren Hall . Who normally seems to have had an inside track concerning information. And was usually very accurate in his statements/information :

(Warren Hall) :
"Well, it did happen in the fall of 1975! But, a hundred or so '76 Carrera 2.7 models were build at the beginning of the model run ... then later in the fall, the Carrera 3.0 debut was made ..."
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If Warren made a definative sounding statement like that . I'm tending to believe him. Unless someone comes up with some bulletproof information stating otherwise.

Some parts and pieces that have dates need to be examined on these cars to start figuring out the time frame of the builds (unless someone can get some more detailed info. from the factory).

Although , either way, built early in the year or late (or even in the middle or spread thruout) - I not quite sure how it would relate to WHY they were built .

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