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Need advice on 1st Porsche purchase...

Hello everyone,

This is my first post, although I have used this forum for various info.

I am interested in a Porsche 1990 911 Targa for sale in Canfield, Ohio.

It looks great online as they all do, but my concerns are the carfax shows an accident.

Here is a link to the car.

1990 Porsche 911 Carrera | Youngstown OH | Armando's Porsche Saab

It is only a couple of hours from my home, the price is right, and is exactly what I have been looking for, but I don't want my emotions and short distance to interfere with a decision that I might regret.

I would appreciate any opinions, help or suggestions on this vehicle as this is my first Porsche purchase.



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964s are potentally great cars. Have the known problems been addressed? What was affected by the wreck? Miles original? Wheels don't match the car (my taste). Horrible repairs to the seats. Price a bit high for car.
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price seems a bit high, camber seems a bit off in the front (but they may have just jacked up the car and slapped those wheels on it before taking pics). my advice, shop around, try and find one for sale buy owner, that way he can answer questions about service history.
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vracer,

Thanks for the info. I am calling tomorrow for details. I really didn't notice seat repairs. To me that is a no no, what else has been short changed????

Great heads up on seats, I may pass on this one.
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Two replies, two "price seems a bit high" ....I guess I really don't know what they are going for or what I'm doing.

I see Victory has a 1990 Targa and they want $29,900.....twenty thousand less miles, so maybe that justifies the higher price,

Amazing that you noticed the camber off from the pics, you guys are good.

Here is another 911 Targa for sale I have been looking at:

1989 Porsche 911 Carrera Targa - Holt Motorsports - used porsche 911 dealer, certified pre owned, porsche 911,porsche 993,porsche 996

I didn't call for the price yet, but I heard Holt is top dollar, but if he can be trusted I don't mind paying,

Anybody with any thoughts on the targa from Holt in West Chester, Pa
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It looks like the car sat outside in the heat and the leather shrank.
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They may have some room in the price although if mileage can be verified by carfax it could
stand ,paint ,interior and general body condition is good to excellent so mileage could be
correct.
These models even earlier such as this have shown some upward movement in past months
but prior to last year prices were easily in mid teens ,usually much higher mileage examples...
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Wizard,
Please realize that "the forum" has no idea how sophisticated you are. You must ALWAYS buy with resale in mind - even if this is a forever car. I like the Holt car better. But - there are many people who say "any color but red" when looking for a car, and there are a lot of people who don't like whale tails, even factory. The original buyer wanted sports seats and front and rear spoilers. How hard did he push the car? The "Raised Hub" steering wheel for
'89 is a 4 spoker. This looks either from an earlier car or aftermarket - not a big deal. After market radio (+ or -).
I'm probably going to be banned from the board for saying this, but I prefer the 964 to the Carrera 911. I too wanted a Targa, and ended up with an '89 911 because I couldn't find a top quality 964.
QUESTION FOR THE BOARD: My car has the little Porsche crests on the interior door handles like the second car. Any idea where they came from? I don't see them on the invoice, so I wonder if they are a dealer add or just plain aftermarket. (The same crest is on my gearshift knob.)
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I too do not like the whale tail and red is not my first choice,,,,,,,,but I've waited years to be able to buy a 911 Porsche and it seems that is what is popping up in my area.

As far as Porsche sophistication goes I would say I'm at a 0 on a scale of 0 to 10.
I just love the looks of the car and have for years. I've never even driven one yet and only sat in one so far.

I keep looking but do not know exactly know what I am supposed to be looking for in a used 911. I know one thing I do not want to be socking money into it... I want to enjoy it for years.

Now her is one I really like, color, targa, 964....but just too far away.

1990 Used Porsche 911 Carrera Targa at Victory Motorcars Serving Houston, TX, IID 8701388

I would love to see this one up close and make an offer.
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I think if you do a search in this forum you will find quite a few references on the how-tos of buying a 1st Porsche.
PCA.ORG has a shopping list of questions to keep in mine. It's free. Excellence Mag on line also has some free guidelines and open to discussion price guidelines for specific models and years.
2nd decide what your intentions are in buying the car, weekend, daily, DE, etc. If you are driving as a daily or DE a pristine low miles example is a waste of money in my opinion. But one with so so to high miles (125k) with records is worth more to me. Next buy the latest model you can afford unless you are into vintage.
Next up is do all the research you can. One thing will lead to another, you'll be amazed.
As for the 1st example you posted?? The accident and the seats are enough for me to pass unless they were to drop the price $5k which I doubt they are willing to do. Plenty of good clean cars out there for a fair price in all sizes and years...keep looking and go see as many as possible so you know a good one when you see one and which model you want. Buying a Porsche is not like going out and buy any old 'used' car. I found the search is as much fun as the buying, but you can get fatigued and frustrated, but the right car for you will be worth it all. When you check the PCA.ORG site they also list events occurring by region such as shows, concours, etc and are listed with dates and location. Go to a few, it's a good way to kick a lot of tires in one convenient place. Most owners will talk your head off if you ask a few questions about their car/model.
Good luck! Keep us posted. We collectively will not let you buy a lemon!
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I keep looking but do not know exactly know what I am supposed to be looking for in a used 911.
Multiple books have been written on the subject. They are currently available through Amazon.

Search the 911 technical forum - there are plenty of comments about how to inspect/test/purchase a used Porsche.

The one piece of advice that I have found to be universal - get a thorough PPI from a reputable shop before you spend any purchase money on ANY Porsche. The money you spend on books for your own education and on pre-purchase inspections can save you multiple times the cost of these up-front expenditures in repairs.

There is so much information out there that it cannot be typed out in one forum post.

Good luck.
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It took me almost a year till I found the right first 911 for me. Arm yourself with knowledge about these cars so you know when the right one comes along...you are ready to pull the trigger. Good luck on finding " the 911" for you.
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One of my pet peeves about this (and many other) boards is that many people omit their location. It makes it MUCH harder to formulate an answer. In the SF area there are 1-2 get togethers every week where you can see and learn; in Timbuktu you might be lucky to have two 911s within 1,000km.
You seem to lean to the 964; do you know how different they are from the 911? There are pluses and minuses.
Main advice #1, even before a PPI. SLOW DOWN! You have wanted one for years. Now you can afford one. You can still afford it six months from now! The only differences are that you will have had the fun of gaining knowledge and refining your taste, and you will have increased the chances of buying the right car (for you) from 1/50 to 1/5.
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QUESTION FOR THE BOARD: My car has the little Porsche crests on the interior door handles like the second car. Any idea where they came from? I don't see them on the invoice, so I wonder if they are a dealer add or just plain aftermarket. (The same crest is on my gearshift knob.)
Pure aftermarket, just like your gearshift knob. AFAIK Carrera 3.2's always had the cheap-feeling plastic interior handles (and yes I am well aware of the legend behind these ;-)

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Pure aftermarket, just like your gearshift knob. AFAIK Carrera 3.2's always had the cheap-feeling plastic interior handles (and yes I am well aware of the legend behind these ;-)

Cheers d.
Please don't keep me in agony; what is the legend? "Enquiring minds want to know."
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There is a reason behind the use of plastic. I remember I changed out shifter knobs and door handles on a couple of my cars and learned my lesson. Imagine having a nice metal shift knob and door handles bake in your car on a hot day. Get in and you can't even grab the shifter so you have to use a towel on it.
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There is a reason behind the use of plastic. I remember I changed out shifter knobs and door handles on a couple of my cars and learned my lesson. Imagine having a nice metal shift knob and door handles bake in your car on a hot day. Get in and you can't even grab the shifter so you have to use a towel on it.
This doesn't seem like much of a legend - even for Hawaii. ;>)
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This doesn't seem like much of a legend - even for Hawaii. ;>)
I don't think that is the legend, just my experience. When I was into BMWs, I switched out the radiator, oil and OBD caps with billet ones as well. Not a good idea! lol
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