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Tony-

I'll gladly heed your PM to me crying "please stop posting in my thread, Paul"...

...as soon as you move the Notable Recent Asking Prices thread to the Marketplace discussion where it belongs

or

when you stop spouting off blatant, flagrant, and paiiiiinful stoooopidity from the Oracle According To Tony

so

yeah

basically never then.

Lastly...

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Dude ok from here on out I'm posting BS on your threads as well. Just understand what goes around comes around..

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I'll <b>gladly</b> heed <font color="Red"><b>your PM to me crying</b> </font><b><i><u>"please stop posting in my thread, Paul"</u></i></b>...<br>
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...as soon as you move the Notable Recent <i>Asking </i>Prices thread to the Marketplace discussion where it belongs<br>
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when you stop spouting off blatant, flagrant, and paiiiiinful stoooopidity from the Oracle According To Tony<br>
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so<br>
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yeah<br>
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basically never then. <img src="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wavey.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wavy" class="inlineimg"><br>
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These cars cant be faked. You cant fake ORIGINALITY. And once originality is GONE its gone forever. No amount of restoring can bring that back.
Not sure I should be getting involved here but this thread is taking a turn which is not true.

There are lots of early 911's being restored to new condition and sold by unscrupulous sellers. Yes these cars are not rust buckets and are already in very nice condition. But I have seen cars that the owner had the original delivery photos from all sides inside out and underneath. By the time the shop was done there was no way to tell right down to the identical drip marks in the undercoating. These cars have gone on to fetch serious dollars and the buyer could care less so long as everything looked correct and had adequate documentation.

As far as mileage I can tell you I have seen numerous cars sell just because of mileage. In one case the records including maintenance showed that the car had under 10k miles when in fact the number was closer to 40k possibly more and it showed. The seller insisted that things fell off his garage walls and made some damage but the buyer paid up just for the mileage and the maintenance records showed the mileage to be correct when it clearly was not. How many owners disconnected the speedometer, swapped it out for another or played the broken odo game? I bet you a lot more than you think have inaccurate odo readings.

I have said it before for years I could not find low mileage cars now suddenly they are everywhere and appear to be in very good to excellent condition. Where did the crap go to? I have seen a lot of cars I know that were in very bad shape and even a few that had "S" titles sell with no record of the "S" title and cosmetically enhanced to make them look better than what they are.

If the money is big enough there are a lot of talented people out there that know how to fake it.

It is buyer beware with any of these cars. They are not always what they appear to be and a thorough PPI and knowledge of the cars is a must.
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I have never seen a restoration that could be passed off as original paint ect. That would be some restoration.

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There are lots of early 911's being restored to new condition and sold by unscrupulous sellers. Yes these cars are not rust buckets and are already in very nice condition. But I have seen cars that the owner had the original delivery photos from all sides inside out and underneath. By the time the shop was done there was no way to tell right down to the identical drip marks in the undercoating. These cars have gone on to fetch serious dollars and the buyer could care less so long as everything looked correct and had adequate documentation.<br>
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As far as mileage I can tell you I have seen numerous cars sell just because of mileage. In one case the records including maintenance showed that the car had under 10k miles when in fact the number was closer to 40k possibly more and it showed. The seller insisted that things fell off his garage walls and made some damage but the buyer paid up just for the mileage and the maintenance records showed the mileage to be correct when it clearly was not. How many owners disconnected the speedometer, swapped it out for another or played the broken odo game? I bet you a lot more than you think have inaccurate odo readings.<br>
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I have said it before for years I could not find low mileage cars now suddenly they are everywhere and appear to be in very good to excellent condition. Where did the crap go to? I have seen a lot of cars I know that were in very bad shape and even a few that had "S" titles sell with no record of the "S" title and cosmetically enhanced to make them look better than what they are. <br>
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If the money is big enough there are a lot of talented people out there that know how to fake it.<br>
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It is buyer beware with any of these cars. They are not always what they appear to be and a thorough PPI and knowledge of the cars is a must.
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The car would have to be painted in lacquer paint or single stage too.
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There are lots of early 911's being restored to new condition and sold by unscrupulous sellers. Yes these cars are not rust buckets and are already in very nice condition. But I have seen cars that the owner had the original delivery photos from all sides inside out and underneath. By the time the shop was done there was no way to tell right down to the identical drip marks in the undercoating. These cars have gone on to fetch serious dollars and the buyer could care less so long as everything looked correct and had adequate documentation.<br><br>
<br><br>
As far as mileage I can tell you I have seen numerous cars sell just because of mileage. In one case the records including maintenance showed that the car had under 10k miles when in fact the number was closer to 40k possibly more and it showed. The seller insisted that things fell off his garage walls and made some damage but the buyer paid up just for the mileage and the maintenance records showed the mileage to be correct when it clearly was not. How many owners disconnected the speedometer, swapped it out for another or played the broken odo game? I bet you a lot more than you think have inaccurate odo readings.<br><br>
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I have said it before for years I could not find low mileage cars now suddenly they are everywhere and appear to be in very good to excellent condition. Where did the crap go to? I have seen a lot of cars I know that were in very bad shape and even a few that had "S" titles sell with no record of the "S" title and cosmetically enhanced to make them look better than what they are. <br><br>
<br><br>
If the money is big enough there are a lot of talented people out there that know how to fake it.<br><br>
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It is buyer beware with any of these cars. They are not always what they appear to be and a thorough PPI and knowledge of the cars is a must.</div>
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I have never seen a restoration that could be passed off as original paint ect. That would be some restoration.
Originality covers so much more than paint. It is uncanny how good some of these have been. I have been a concours judge for years and I could not tell the work that was done. If your willing to pay the talent is out there and in the end if it matches the original photos what does it matter if nobody can tell?
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Dude ok from here on out I'm posting BS on your threads as well. Just understand what goes around comes around..
Uh oh, BS in one of Paul's threads has never before been seen. This could get interesting.
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Porsche 930 Turbo Coupe | eBay

Need the opinion of the "930 Oracle" on this one for sure.

Rare Benetton edition prototype non sunroof turbo for sale.

Was looking to pay $21,000,000 for a different prototype then this came up.

Looks to be OG lacquer, title and seller swears only 5K so I'm sure it is legit.

Where do you peg this one going to Tony, or should i just do a BIN?

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Dude ok from here on out I'm posting BS on your threads as well.
Ahhh... soooooo, basically... you're just going to be yourself then? I'd expect nothing less.

and

of your 1,407 Pelican posts... 1,406 of them have been in this thread - it's clear you're only on here for this thread and this thread alone, short of the 1 post you've deviated out of this with your pathetically sad attempt at a "jab" at me last night (swing and a miss).

so yeah - I do definitely encourage you to explore all of the other USEFUL THREADS this board has to offer, and maybe even constructively participate

imagine that? Novel concept...

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Paul Im glad this thread has pissed you off to point you are putting all this EFFORT into derailing it. It means this thread is WORKING!


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Ahhh... soooooo, basically... you're just going to be yourself then? I'd expect nothing less.

and

of your 1,407 Pelican posts... 1,406 of them have been in this thread - it's clear you're only on here for this thread and this thread alone, short of the 1 post you've deviated out of this with your pathetically sad attempt at a "jab" at me last night (swing and a miss).

so yeah - I do definitely encourage you to explore all of the other USEFUL THREADS this board has to offer, and maybe even constructively participate

imagine that? Novel concept...

btw - a casual reminder: 1- Porsche Technical Forums
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Hmmmm now... so... you readily admit you've started this Asking Prices thread then just to be an instigator.

Gotchya. Thanks for finally coming to grips with that yourself there, chiefy.

While it's not as if it wasn't obvious enough on its own - it's great to have you embarrass yourself to the point of actually quantifying it with such admission.

and - even more worsererer

that you haven't figured out that it doesn't piss me or others off - but - that we are merely putting in this "effort" for sake of our own bemusement (fish / barrel) is even funnier than said bemusement



Please, keep on! Passes the time...
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Did you sell your car yet Tony?

If not, then this thread is NOT WORKING!!!
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Hmmmm now... so... you readily admit you've started this Asking Prices thread then just to be an instigator.

Gotchya. Thanks for finally coming to grips with that yourself there, chiefy.

While it's not as if it wasn't obvious enough on its own - it's great to have you embarrass yourself to the point of actually quantifying it with such admission.

and - even more worsererer

that you haven't figured out that it doesn't piss me or others off - but - that we are merely putting in this "effort" for sake of our own bemusement (fish / barrel) is even funnier than said bemusement



Please, keep on! Passes the time...
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You failed to mention the seller's ebay handle, "bondobob". That's gotta make some kind of difference in value.

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Need the opinion of the "930 Oracle" on this one for sure.

Rare Benetton edition prototype non sunroof turbo for sale.

Was looking to pay $21,000,000 for a different prototype then this came up.

Looks to be OG lacquer, title and seller swears only 5K so I'm sure it is legit.

Where do you peg this one going to Tony, or should i just do a BIN?
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Tony-

I'll gladly heed your PM to me crying "please stop posting in my thread, Paul"...

...as soon as you move the Notable Recent Asking Prices thread to the Marketplace discussion where it belongs

or

when you stop spouting off blatant, flagrant, and paiiiiinful stoooopidity from the Oracle According To Tony

so

yeah

basically never then.

Lastly...

(please don't PM me anymore, Tony) <----------said in his crybaby voice
+1 this thread does not belong here......please move to the proper location.....

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1976 930 66k miles with bad motor. Asking $230,000

This seller is definitely asking for tomorrow's price today.

1976 Porsche 930 930 for sale #1731620 | Hemmings Motor News



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Looks like he built a living room for the car. http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/porsche/930/1731620.html
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Looks like he built a living room for the car. 1976 Porsche 930 930 for sale #1731620 | Hemmings Motor News
That or a super nice garage.
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Lookie, a Pelican sub-forum made expressly for the discussion of value trends, value effects of modifications, original-v-restored, "look what's for sale", etc. . . whoda thunk it!?!?!?!


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