What do you think the value of this '74?
 

So, I have this car just sitting in the garage. I bought it with a blown motor. Since this is smog-exempt, I have torn down the engine and had the cams redone to be hotter cams. I have the rebuilt kit (boxes) from Pelican still in boxes. I have yet to buy the carburetors.

If I were to abandon this project, what is your 'very rough' valuation? It does have a few rust under the driver door. Interior looks clean. No upholstery rips.

Thanks.

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What is the vin? Is it a 911 Carrera or 911S? We need an interior shot to see what else is not stock (I don't believe those are 74 side mirrors).

Someone once tried to make it look like a later car, blacking out the bright trim. Poor paint match on the aftermarket duck. As mreid pointed out, the mirrors are wrong.

...and the engine is out and apart and incomplete.

Having said that, the market is strong and as it sits (assuming matching case) it's probably worth $18K or so if a 91141XXXXX and $30K or so if 91144XXXXX. Of course, if it were 91146XXXX, I'd be right over!

So, I had to google where to find the Vin.

It's 91143xxxxx. Where would the 43's run price-wise?

Thanks

That's a 911S with a sunroof, fair interior, some rust, and a non-running questionable engine. I'd say $15k if it has a non-cracked dash.

You beat me to it. 😄

I found the VIN decoder.

Thx

Well, one other thing is that it has Carrera flares, which is potentially a plus for some buyers, but makes the car 'not original' which also eliminates some buyers.

I'm still thinking around $18K if the engine's a match and the flares are steel. Subtract $2K if they are fiberglass.

What are the first 3 numbers of the engine stamping (side of alternator mount).

9301011334R is what is stamped on the split engine case. Flares are all steel.

You have a non-matching engine. Engine number is not cast, it's stamped on the area shown as blank (green arrow) in this post:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/595635-911-2-0-engine-case-number.html#post5888730

6292115. :)

79 SC engine case.

Non matching engine in pieces(no CIS) and body mods and you all think $15-$18k. Wow this market is out of control. Seems like a $10k car at best.

How many smog exempt 911's are out there? :)

And how many people are actually into CIS when carbs may actually be better for this setup?

I'm with you. The steel flares may be well installed or so bad they have to come off. It's a roller with a builder engine. Blackout to undo. Probably paint to do over too. I wouldn't pay more than $10k for any normal '74-86 in that state. Smog free is mostly a CA bonus. Many other States use a rolling 25 year policy.

Maybe I'm spoiled. I just don't see the value there.

It is smog exempt in California, that is not a benefit unless you want to register it in California. You should be open to out of Cal. sales to get a good price. I have found
California is a good place to buy used Porsches but not to sell them.
What is needed parts wise to put it together? Can you post a picture of the interiour?
So far 15k looks fair.

Sold for $23,000.00! :)

If you have cash in hand, congratulations are in order.

To be exact, i bought this to convert it to a turbo bodied 911. Though the body is almost rust free, i was going to get it painted with the same color scheme.

I have acquired a 997 C4S thereafter and i now plan on just having a hotter cam 3.0. From what i understand, this engine has bigger ports than the 80's 3.0.

The interior actually looks better than my '83SC Cab when i bought it.

The tranny is prior to the 915 and i may also try to acquire a 915. I am unsure yet if there would be a plus buying a 915.

Again, except for the carbs, i have all the new parts to assemble it back together. I just need to find time. I could post interior pics soon. I have stuff inside the car. :)

Oh, the sale was a dry humor joke. Though, I do appreciate the private messages regarding possible sale and interest :)

Well, I didn't want to say just how lucky a $23K sale would have been, in case the buyer was here.

The ports are bigger on the 78-79, but compression is lower. You can build a nice engine if you have some money to throw at it.

Original trans for the chassis would have been the highly desirable mag case 7:31 915 with internal mainshaft seal. Any 'earlier' trans is a mismatch. Last time I bought carbs for an engine with no induction, it came to about $2700 for carbs, installation and tuning. If you can do a bunch of the work yourself, you can save a few hundred. A decent 915 is going to run $2500 - in fact, I just sold one for that amount a few weeks ago.

Not clear on your motives here: are you looking for offers or planning a build?

I already have 5 vehicles and this is the only project I have left. Someone died (not friend of mine) and they want me to buy a 2008 BMW 750Li for $10,000.00. :)

Trying to see if I should unload the project car if I end up getting the Bimmer. And if I unload the '74, I wanted to know what the market is.

So I guess I am trying to be proactive regarding finances, garage space, etc.

I should know about the Bimmer by end of this week. If I get the very low mileage Bimmer for $10k, this car goes.

Curious, do you happen to have the serial number range for the "desirable" magnesium case tranny?

You want a 915/02 or 915/06 if you are trying to be correct. But with a mismatched engine don't bother. Aluminum case 915s from '78-86 are far more robust and easier to find. You will need fine spline cvs but they can be found.

Just remember all 915s are cores unless you see reciepts for work. Expect $1000-1500 for a core or $2500-4000 for a nice one like Bill's.

Check this:
915 Series Porsche Transmission

Well, my "2008 BMW 750 Barn Find" was grabbed from underneath me. The siblings of the heir were upset and actually using the word 'stolen'. :(
Oh well!

Thus... The '74 will remain in the garage.

You were the thief?

Hahaha! I am actually the favorite The deceased bzness partner took the car while the heir was in somewhat medicated state.

So sad for the heir.

Trust me... When I told them that I would offer what Carmax offers, less about $3,000.00, that was when I strengtened my credibility. Once my good faith was re-established, they insisted on just $10,000.00.

This Bimmer reminded of this rich kid who insisted on me buying his 1-year old $60k Supra Turbo for like $7,500.00. IIRC. :)

Whatever goes around comes around so I believe in being a non-vulture.

Btw, the kid and his rich dad did sell me the Supra. :)

So, I am officially retired in a few months. :)

This car is definitely and WILL BE for sale.

I need help in assisting me and the buyer. I am planning on taking pics of the following:
1. Pics of rebuild kit from Pelican.
2. Pics of interior.
3. Trunk.
4. Frunk.
5. I had the crank machined for hotter setup by EBS. Pic of the receipt and crank.
6. Pics of the new pistons and machined cylinders.
7. Pic of the tranny.
8. Pic of the CIS

What else should I get ready for?

As soon as I have everything, I can start a new thread.

Thanks.

p.s., my '83SC Cab will be for sale also. :)
I also have an 07 997 C4S but I will sell it only after I have sold my house.

I suspect you've checked the market and are doing the snoopy dance for waiting till now to sell this car :D

David

Honestly, I have not.

I just finished advertising my 2 SUV's. The Porsches will be next.

The prices have gone up 1.5-2x for the right 74's. Depending on those pictures, yours may be worth around what you joked selling the car for 2 years ago.

David,

Thanks for your market feedback. I should probably start looking at the 911 market tomorrow and go from there. Hopefully others will chime in too. As I said, I just need something that will be fair to both me and the buyer.

Today, I just need to start the process of selling my rental. :(

Oh, and I was not joking 2 years ago. The BMW 740il for $10,000.00 was a real deal.

The value of projects hasn't really moved in lock step with running driving cars. This car isn't worth much more than the numbers we were talking about when this thread was new. If you can get $20k for it you did well.

with all due respect to tech I think you have a 69 E motor as you stated the it had a 4R case and that motor serial number fits a 69 E

Although that would be a desirable motor for someone with a 69 E not so great for your 74

Yes, it is a 69 E case number. It's also a 79 SC case number, but the 4R cinches it as the earlier engine.

There could be a 69E out there somewhere needing reunion with its original engine. There's a place on the web where reunions are arranged, should you decide to go that way.

Just for clarity, 4R confirms it as an SC Engine, correct?

Also, did the 69 have CIS?

No, 4R means 69. And CIS didn't come out until 73.5

What's the type number? That will put this to rest.

Where would the type number be? I will take pics hopefully soon -- selling the 2 SUV's has been my priority.

BTW, the engine came with CIS.

The type number is stamped on the horizontal section of the case a couple inches from where the serial number is stamped on the vertical.

My 74 with 3.2 swap is also CIS. It appears they used the original 74 CIS with the replacement engine. Your car may be the same.

Here's a good orientation from the late, great Grady Clay:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/121529-911-engine-codes-2.html