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Which car would you sell? And for how much?

I have a decision on my horizon and figured why not bat it around here and see what other people think. I've got 2 impact bumper cars and I have decided one of them must go. What prompted this decision is my dad. My dad has been enjoying long term loan of my 86 Carrera for the last 5 years. He has decided that he's too old to be using a vintage 911, or any sportscar for that matter, as his driver. It's currently the only car he and my stepmother have at their winter home in St George and it has stranded them twice in the last year. Come Thanksgiving he's going to drive it over Vail Pass one last time and return it to me.

I'm in the beginning stages of building a car barn, but it's really only going to be big enough for how many cars I currently have. I just don't have space for them all and building a bigger barn isn't an option since I am building on an existing slab and not pouring any new concrete. Barn will be done before winter and I'm not willing to park anything outside anymore. So something has got to go.

1986 Carrera. 125ish K mi. I think it was 105k when he took it. He has replaced the alternator, and battery during his ownership. Otherwise just one oil change. Car is light yellow sunroof coupe. Well optioned, including tail, rear wiper, headlight squirters and few things I am sure I'm forgetting. Car was in an accident shortly before I bought it. Left rear fender was replaced with a factory replacement panel all the way to the sills. You wouldn't know it unless you look closely and see that the welds are better than on the right side. It is very well blended. Also has had the front fenders massaged because dad hit a few parking lot curbs too fast and compressed the tires into the lip. I haven't seen what kind of paint damage it has. Basically it is a very nice driver Carrera but not without flaws.

1974 911 Couple. Miles? Who the F knows? This is the bastard I bought looking like a black 935 and had color changed back to original Gulf Blue with body backdate to stockish. It's got Carrera rear flares on it. Like the above repair, they were done to the sills. It's a driver quality paint job and has never been fully detailed since done. Has an S title from theft early in life. 3.2 engine on CIS and an SC 915 gearbox. 7&8x 16 Fuchs, 1974 factory sport seats, and nothing else of consequence to make it interesting. Car needs fuel lines and a full interior refresh. If I kept it long term I would do all the way through the brakes and suspension. Also needs substantial rewiring to remove an old alarm system and not 1 but 2 CD players and amps, etc. I have a set of Webers to put on it at some point. I figure $10-15k to finish it with me doing most of the labor at this point. I bought it when I had middie fever and should have held out and got a targa. Car was a mistake in the big picture, but now I've got it, and it's more pleasant to drive than the 86 ever was because I don't hit my head and it's so much lighter. Did I mention no smog?

My gutt says sell the Carrera, even with the market flattening. I've owned the car for 7? years. I haven't driven it in 5. I am no longer attached to it and I don't properly fit in a sunroof coupe anyway. I stopped doing projects for a few years and am feeling the urge to get back at it. I have plenty of projects and could work on a 914 with pretty much no out of pocket. Having a couple tens of thousands of dollars to work with could actually finish the 74 and restore the Bumble Bee. I think in Light Yellow the 86 is a good candidate for sending to BaT over Christmas holiday. Get me some holiday cheer bidders who can't wait for the snow to melt. haha.

Crap...baby woke up. I don't have a ton of pictures of each car, but will find some and get them uploaded later. In the meantime open to your thoughts. Please be sure to let me know what you think the ballpark on each car is.
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My gutt says sell the Carrera, even with the market flattening.
Then your gut is probably right.

They made more '86 911s (production wise) than '74,'75, and '76 combined I believe. It would be an easier sell, less emotional, and it would be like your dad still having it if it sold. I'd go this route as it would be the easiest. Car is ready to sell with no loss, both emotionally and monetarily.

As far as the '74 goes, the only way I would say sell this is to buy a Targa - but clean '74 coupes set up the way you want them are rare indeed. Most '74s got crushed, parted, or just rusted. Now that they have respect they will continue to have respect.

Now that a Cayman has entered the fold I would sell the '86 no problem. The '74 is more raw and less refined; lighter for sure and is more of a hobby car.

Sell the '86. I'd detail the heck out of it and put it up now (it's almost August) somewhere in the high 20s. But I would not wait and do it now.
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no smog, and the freedom to do as you please on the '74.

keep the middie...
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no smog. you fit better in it. more fun to drive.. keep the 74 for the time being and let the 86 go.
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Sell the '86. I'd detail the heck out of it and put it up now (it's almost August) somewhere in the high 20s. But I would not wait and do it now.
Not an option. Dad will be in Germany until the end of Octoberfest and then will need to drive the car until he brings it to me at Thanksgiving. The schedule isn't flexible. Thanks for the other thoughts.
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The 74 is tastier to us californians who already have too many cars that need smog. At the right price I would look at the 74 for sure.

Or you can sell BOTH and get something you really want.
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Thanks for the feedback but I'm not seeing any numbers. No interest in selling both. I want to keep a coupe in the garage. If I sold the 74 I would put money into the 914 and project that car. I'm not going to buy some other finished car.
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All things being equal, with the current state of the cars it seems like the '86 would be worth slightly more and the '74 is slightly more desirable to you personally. Sounds like an easy decision.

As suggested above the timing sucks. I don't follow BaT, but was of the assumption that cars with "stories" didn't fair to well there(?)

If it were me Id have your dad load it in a trailer instead of driving back over to you. Given the winter timing, you'd prob be better off selling the car in CA; I'm sure there's dozens of shops here that would be willing to house and show the car as a favor to you.

Value? $26k.
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Any chance to make the barn not wider but taller, and put in a couple lifts?
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Any chance to make the barn not wider but taller, and put in a couple lifts?
There will be one life but not two. 4 cars inside.
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Value? $26k.
For the 86? No offense but I find that laughable. Find another light yellow 86 for sale anywhere. My research indicates fewer than 50 made and most were 930s or M491. I've only seen 2 others in standard body ever on the market. The color is the only reason I would consider BaT. If it was Guards Red I'd just list it here and be done.
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I'm surprised at the high 20's number. There's a 79SC on the board right now for $27K. I'm surprised it's lasted a day. Maybe it doesn't have accidents, but I'd rather have a 3.2 behind me than a 3.0, even though that one looks nice, despite the greased up appearance.

Over $30 for sure Matt. Knowledgeable, known Pelican and no BS. These 3.2's are the bomb. I don't think it'd last very long at high 20's. Are there other Carreras in that price range? Doubtful. And that color...

Mid 30's anyway, maybe more.
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If the car is mid 20S in this market I would just sit on it and park the Cayman in the elements. But maybe I'm out of touch and will wait for more to comment.

And I'll look for those pictures. The photobucket b.s. took them down. I never uploaded them to Wayne's server and they aren't on my current comouter. It appears to have been garages most/all its life and all other paint is original.I may make the car sound rougher than it is.
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$35K for the '86
$25K for the '74.

Those are the numbers.
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Sell the 86, but doing so at Xmas may not be doing so in the best market.
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I own 9 P Cars, and am always buying. I think Sal's numbers are pretty damn close. Maybe a few K more either way for a plum or a turd.
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You would get tons of IM's and inquiries anywhere in the 20's.
Although the market has softened, I would say 33k easy.
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Actually, that color could create some upside from the right buyer. It will be interesting to see if you do list it.
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$25k for a salvage title not matching in the least 74 normal? Bloody hell this market is confused.
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$25k for a salvage title not matching in the least 74 normal? Bloody hell this market is confused.
The way I see it is this. Salvage means almost nothing at this point.

$25K (or around) was what that Silver Anniversary '75 sold for last week that sat for freaking 30 years, does not run, and there are A LOT of unanswered questions. $14K or $16K (I can't remember) is what Adam got on a eBay auction for a '74 that was VERY rusty (I thought this was high, but whatever).

I'd say $25K for yours, plus the $15K odd that you plan to put in (things add up as you know) then that car is at $40K for anyone.

I'd bet you would get $35K for the '86 (not at Christmas) but maybe, who the heck knows? I'd try to get it on the market sooner than later though.
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