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Porsche 1967 911s engine rebuilt 961439 901/02

Lots of attention to details.

This was rebuild by a well known engine builder for a former friends 1967 911s Targa restoration.
Plenty of pictures for a serious buyer.

Rather than using the original 67s engine briefly run he opted for a RS spec engine in the car. The 67s was subsequently sold without the original engine and the rebuilt engine remained.

I purchased for my 1968 911r project. Decided to use a 3.4L High compression Twin Plug engine.

My project plans changed and i have decided to sell this and hopefully the new owner will appreciate the quality and beauty. Hopefully will be installed in a original 1967s.

This was rebuilt using Mahle 84mm pistons & cylinders. Has a brand new fully restored correct 67s distributor, all new plugs & wires. Brand new and highest possible quality red fan shroud. Very difficult to get and very costly.New fan and original 901 fan housing. Engine tin and strap have been power coated. Includes manifolds and zinc cad plated linkage. Just add your preference in carburetors.


Leak down shows as follows previously verified by well known local Porsche engine / restoration facility
1 2%
2 2%
3 1%
4 2%
5 2%
6 4%


Although this has been enjoyed by Porsche enthusiasts and myself for years sitting in my living room on display with other Porsche automobilia it is time to allow someone else to enjoy in their car or ... living-room.

I will assist in getting this to a professional crater locally for shipment anywhere in the world. Can drop off at a freight carrier of your choice once crated. Or if you prefer local pick up this would be perfect.

Cylinder heads have rubber plugs in them under the manifolds.

Please ask questions. Sold as pictured with my phone. Beautiful engine.

$35,000 You would have a difficult time buying and properly rebuilding this engine as show for this price.

Porsche sign is not available or included at any price.

Transportation and crating is responsibility of the buyer. Payment with bank wire transfer.
Buyer may elect to come and pick up personall

Thank you..
Erik Black
Phoenix AZ USA

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Old 09-23-2017, 04:46 PM
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I think you meant to put this in the FS forum. Here we will argue whether your engine is worth the ask or too cheap etc.
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Depending on the build sheet documentation the engine is worth 35 to 50k, but to the owner of the original 67s chassis, that engine is priceless.
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Depending on the build sheet documentation the engine is worth 35 to 50k, but to the owner of the original 67s chassis, that engine is priceless.
"Priceless"? I don't think it's worth much more than $50k to the numbers matching chassis? What's a numbers matching '67S worth?
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I just want to know how you get the wife to let you put an engine in the living room?
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I just want to know how you get the wife to let you put an engine in the living room?
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Years ago I almost bought a blown up 956 motor from Europe. It even came with a photo of the car at the race. I wanted to put a glass top over it and make it a coffee table which I thought would be the neatest thing since sliced bread. My wife, didn't feel that way. She won.
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@nathanbs, the 67s engine was the first s engine in the 911 series. Porsche made about 3,300 of these engines. How many are left? If you find the matching chassis it becomes priceless to the chassis owner. Your asking price for the engine goes upwards significantly because once he pops in the numbers matching engine into this numbers matching chassis, 1+1 = 3, but then again its all about supply and demand. I have a rebuilt 67s engine on an engine stand in my office -- purchased more than 10 years ago as an investment. It might make it's way into the 912 I have but for now it's perfect sitting in my office.
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@nathanbs, the 67s engine was the first s engine in the 911 series. Porsche made about 3,300 of these engines. How many are left? If you find the matching chassis it becomes priceless to the chassis owner. Your asking price for the engine goes upwards significantly because once he pops in the numbers matching engine into this numbers matching chassis, 1+1 = 3, but then again its all about supply and demand. I have a rebuilt 67s engine on an engine stand in my office -- purchased more than 10 years ago as an investment. It might make it's way into the 912 I have but for now it's perfect sitting in my office.
I don't dispute that a car with a matching engine = 3, what I am challenging is that the value of the motor can't be priceless when the value of the entire package of motor + car is not priceless. It has a value and my question is what is that value and then you can determine the real value of the needle in the haystack scenario of pairing this motor up with its rightful owner.
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I don't dispute that a car with a matching engine = 3, what I am challenging is that the value of the motor can't be priceless when the value of the entire package of motor + car is not priceless. It has a value and my question is what is that value and then you can determine the real value of the needle in the haystack scenario of pairing this motor up with its rightful owner.
Sound reasoning, so let's put some numbers to it for clarification.
Say a #'s matching 67S is $200K, not #'s matching 67S is $180. so the premium for the right car owner would be 20K.
So priceless is = $20,000.00
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Sound reasoning, so let's put some numbers to it for clarification.
Say a #'s matching 67S is $200K, not #'s matching 67S is $180. so the premium for the right car owner would be 20K.
So priceless is = $20,000.00
Close. By your math it should be value of a 67S motor + $20,000 premium. So if you say a non numbers matching one is $180,000, what's one missing a motor worth? Lol. I don't know the answer
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Not numbers matching penalty is closer to 20-25% so the true difference is closer to 40-50k. It is definitely worth it for both the owner of the motor and the owner of the matching car to work together....


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The 67s engine carries with it the panache of being the first S engine. They built 3,300 of them. How many are left, easily less than 1,000 based on a review of the early 911 S registry. They are priceless. They don't make them anymore. Numbers or whatever. I was just offered 60k for my rebuilt 67s that lives in my office, top and bottom end done, with 2.7 liter heads, (Original heads come with engine as do original pistons) modified with cam tensioner update . Case, heads and crank went to their respect machine shops, ie Ollies for the heads, crank?, and the case handled by Ollies as well. I think. Carrillo rods and the original rods are included. All accessories and fully rebuilt webers jetted for the ported and flowed engine.
Exhaust is headers.

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I am not sure what makes the 67S engine so valuable apart from being "rare".
It is really only valuable to the original car it came from.

I cannot see why folks would pay big money for a 67S motor that dosnt match their COA.

Every early 911 out there is worth more with numbers matching engine. So to plug a 67S engine into your car that dosnt match the COA dosnt really make sense. Especially given the extremely high asking price on 67S motors.

If going the hot rod route, you can build any motor to what you want without having to start with a 2.0L S motor.

Period correct, you could upgrade a 1965-1968 911 with a 67S motor for more power, but alas, it is not the matching number and resale of the car is not improved. And you can build a more powerful motor for less money.

So why is the 67S engine market asking so much?
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I am not sure what makes the 67S engine so valuable apart from being "rare".
It is really only valuable to the original car it came from.

I cannot see why folks would pay big money for a 67S motor that dosnt match their COA.

Every early 911 out there is worth more with numbers matching engine. So to plug a 67S engine into your car that dosnt match the COA dosnt really make sense. Especially given the extremely high asking price on 67S motors.

If going the hot rod route, you can build any motor to what you want without having to start with a 2.0L S motor.

Period correct, you could upgrade a 1965-1968 911 with a 67S motor for more power, but alas, it is not the matching number and resale of the car is not improved. And you can build a more powerful motor for less money.

So why is the 67S engine market asking so much?
Right there with you, makes no sense.
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Did you post this on ESR ?

Best outcome would be to reunite it with the car it came from, if possible. But the Chassis owner or someone with a close # might want it.
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For those that PM me asking to sell my 67s engine to them, it's not for sale. (I have a 912 body/gearbox/suspension that will get that engine when the kids are out of college.) For all those questioning why the price of early S engines, w/o their matching gearboxes and chassis, keep going up in price the answer is simple: supply vs demand.

I agree with all of you that the best way to make HP, etc is NOT w the 67s engine, but it's so cool to know you have the first S engine -- whether its on a stand in your office or its bolted into your engine bay.
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