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I don’t plan on modifying this car at all other than upgrades to make the car/engine more reliable. 415hp is plenty for me.
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The faster a car is, the less of it you can use on public roadway.
The less of a car you use, the less engaging the driving experience.
(eg: 2nd gear at 90mph)
Odds are, your classic is as fast as you need a car to be.
it was an easy car to drive fast and I could not agree with the above statement enough. with all the nannies on the car it was not a driving experience that excited me after I got used to the huge amount of HP at hand.
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The power on the car isn't that much, trust me. You get used to it really, really easily and a new turbo has over 150 more horsepower. And it can be used on the street every day - you never get tired of the boost coming on when entering a freeway on ramp.

I have very early cars and I have very late cars. They all offer a different driving experience and one does not replace the other.

Turbos are plenty fun!
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[QUOTE=juanbenae;9795031 with all the nannies on the car[/QUOTE]

The only "nanny" a 996tt has is the most rudimentary traction control. Even the 997TT only has this. They are very basic cars, and the button is right there to shut it off.

996/997 traction control systems are extremely primitive and very unobtrusive. The 991 turbo is the one with all the nannies.
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I consider power steering, antilock brakes and the all wheel drive as nannies too. I'm not slamming the car, I enjoyed the 10 months I owned one but it was just not the car for me.

my 75 put me back in contact with the road and that's an experience I covet. an example I can cite is a local twisty road I like to drive where the asphalt is less than smooth and under hard braking the antlocks would kick in and I was feeling nannies not threshold braking. if I could have afforded two 911s at a time I might have considered keeping the 6t, but I'm in a single sports car tax bracket...
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The only "nanny" a 996tt has is the most rudimentary traction control. Even the 997TT only has this. They are very basic cars, and the button is right there to shut it off.

996/997 traction control systems are extremely primitive and very unobtrusive. The 991 turbo is the one with all the nannies.
Maybe you’ve never engaged your abd or psm...
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And it can be used on the street every day - you never get tired of the boost coming on when entering a freeway on ramp.
And then 1.4 seconds later, you get stuck behind an SUV, garbage truck, horse trailer, etc. Instead of 5 seconds later.
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And then 1.4 seconds later, you get stuck behind an SUV, garbage truck, horse trailer, etc. Instead of 5 seconds later.
You’re right. You should just take the bus.
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one thing I failed to mention was I never tracked the car so maybe I missed out on some of the car's non public road attributes. thing was since the coolant lines were not pinned or welded on my car I was track duty shy with the model.

there is also a mod where the front wheel driveline is disabled to make them rear drive exclusively. there are a number RL members who did this spoke very highly of how it transformed the car's driving experience. so there's that.
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Maybe you’ve never engaged your abd or psm...
These systems in the 997TT are very much in their infancy. PASM is super slow to react and doesn't "think ahead" like in the 991 and cars with the TPC box.

I don't think the 997TT have ABD.

When you get into the 991TT, you get rear wheel torque vectoring, REAL pasm, rear wheel steering, automatic braking for turns, and a bunch of other stuff.

Try driving a 997TT it is a very analog car with not a lot of buttons. First hand experience here, as I said, I own TWO.

Plus I own all the other air cooled stuff we are talking about, so I am giving a direct comparison here.

996/997TT feels to me like a quieter version of a 930. And yes, i own a 930.
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one thing I failed to mention was I never tracked the car so maybe I missed out on some of the car's non public road attributes. thing was since the coolant lines were not pinned or welded on my car I was track duty shy with the model.

there is also a mod where the front wheel driveline is disabled to make them rear drive exclusively. there are a number RL members who did this spoke very highly of how it transformed the car's driving experience. so there's that.
Never tracked mine either. I have a race car so i don't see the point, and with Turbo values climbing, there is little point in risking the car.

The Cardan shaft can be removed from both 996/997TT to make it a "GT2" clone, but unfortunately the electronics go nuts and there isn't a good way of squelching the computer from screaming because it's missing a front axle unless you go really deep into the conversion.

Simply pulling the cardan shaft makes you a 2wd instantly but you drive around with the dash Xmas tree lights lit up.
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The faster a car is, the less of it you can use on public roadway.
The less of a car you use, the less engaging the driving experience.
(eg: 2nd gear at 90mph)
Odds are, your classic is as fast as you need a car to be.
2nd at 90 can be pretty engaging.
It's not necessarily how often you change gear that is the ne plus ultra of how much fun you are having...
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2nd at 90 can be pretty engaging.
It's not necessarily how often you change gear that is the ne plus ultra of how much fun you are having...
As a corollary to this thread, I decided to take the '07 turbo for a spin. The car has headers, and exhaust, and tune and makes about 510hp up from the normal 480. Man, what a rush this car is to drive - even though I have the bigger turbos sitting in the garage, let me tell you this thing is a frigging blast.

On ramps are like roller coaster rides. 20 minutes later I'm back home with a huge grin, the car does it every time.

And I live in SoCal where traffic is always nasty. Still crept up over a 100 for brief spurts though, not hard to do in that car.

If you don't think the 996/997 turbos are fun, I think you need to see your doctor and check for a pulse.

If you can swing it, BUY ONE!
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If you can swing it, BUY ONE!
To drive the wheels off or as an investment ?

Sounds like you can't have both from what you have said.
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They are not for everybody - They are fast but can be used around town. They can be easily modified = I have a tune - closer to 500hp and 500 ft lbs. I like fast cars. Some people don't like the headlights, I like em - I like driving the car - I think it's very engaging - feels like it's carved out of a block of solid metal. But I get it -
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To drive the wheels off or as an investment ?

Sounds like you can't have both from what you have said.
I have two for exactly that reason. A 2007 6MT and a 2009 6MT. The 2009 is the last year you could get a Mezger motor and a 6MT in the Turbo. So it's a little bit of a garage queen because 6MT 2009 cars are really rare and worth bucks.

Speaking of the 996 Turbos, if you get one that has low miles (~30K), you can still drive the piss out of it and come up winning.

Keep in mind before the 991TT (which Porsche admits it made too many of), there are relatively FEW turbos compared to normal production. While not as rare as a GT3, basically any Porsche 911 Turbo prior to the 991TT is relatively rare and their prices have always held pretty steady.

The only reason I bought my 2007 997TT is because I had an offer in on a 996TT, one that did not get accepted.

This was a car in the low 30s.

I sat on my ass like an idiot for a year, and got the urge for a TT again. Lo and behold the same car i was looking at was in the low 40s. While I jerked around, the 996TT hit it's rock bottom then bounced up, and still continues to rise nicely.

By the time I was a buyer again, the delta between the 996 and 997 made it more compelling to just buy the 997.....Then the 997 started to rise.

I bought my 2009 for 68,500, and now the closest one like it is in the high 70s, low 80s.

Turbos (any of them) are always great cars for holding their values.
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The faster a car is, the less of it you can use on public roadway.
The less of a car you use, the less engaging the driving experience.
(eg: 2nd gear at 90mph)
Odds are, your classic is as fast as you need a car to be.
Woody, I disagree with the "less engaging" part; you are very engaged, if not outright saying "holy shart" whenever you press the accelerator of a powerful car. I've owned four slow sports cars in my day, and hands down, nothing comes close to brute power in terms of driving enjoyment, for me (as long as the power is in a car I like . . . noted just to head off the "get a Mustang remarks ).

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I've had mine 3 years. No problems whatsoever. Very satisfying car to drive. I do want to replace it -- and have it up for sale -- but I plan get a 996 Turbo convertible next.

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Awwww Weenie, you were supposed to be the air cooled maven. This is like finding out Santa doesn't exist, LOL.

Seriously nice car though.

I just bought a 997 turbo convertible for my dad. It's not for me, but I was nevertheless impressed with that car in a drop top. Really stiff and fun to drive even as a cabrio. Fair warning - lots more wind noise with the top up though, gets awful loud at 90.
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Too bad TW. I sold my 6 speed 09 TT Cab less than a year ago. It was a low mileage sweetheart.

But I found it a waste to own. On ramps? Really? I'm owning a supercar for the experience of on ramps? Or high speed corners at 90 in a 35 MPH zone? Tracking it was fun, but I couldn't come to terms with balling an $80K car into a wall at speed.

It's gone. My classics are all the fun I need for now.
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