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Rally car mod is a solid mod for an impact bumper car. It's still new enough to be unique. It's fully reversible as well.

(Very) generally speaking, younger enthusiast seem to prefer the impact bumper era. One younger friend told me that long hoods look too "old man sunday driver-ish"
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Backdates and add-on flares are very expensive to do correctly. Add the cost of a good donor car and yes you have a $70K car easy when the smoke clears.
Rally cars are popular right now but the same applies, to do it right you'll have $70K all-in. To do the ride height correctly requires a complete new modified suspension which is neither cheap or easily reversible. I've seen a few that were done without suspension mods and they are not roadworthy in my opinion. Horrible handling characteristics.
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I believe the rally trend will be small.
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Was John Esposito's.... IMO looked better in Pictures than in person.....
Even after 1500 hours of personal attention ?

That comes to be about $80/hr not even including cost of material. Lovely.
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I'm so tired of all the backdated cars. As the owner of an actual long hood plus two impact bumper cars, to me they look good in their own separate ways. On my 75 I went IROC because when I bought the car it was missing front and rear bumpers (and also the car is wider both front and back than a turbo) but the SC looks great as an SC, not a longhood.

My 73 is the real deal and again, it suits the era.
Yep. Always wondered why people front-dated the longhoods, now backdating the shorthoods.

If I was dating anything I would probably just take a '74 and make it a '74 RS Carrera 3.0 because I like the look of hot-rodded shorthoods while keeping them shorthoods.
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Yep. Always wondered why people front-dated the longhoods, now backdating the shorthoods.

If I was dating anything I would probably just take a '74 and make it a '74 RS Carrera 3.0 because I like the look of hot-rodded shorthoods while keeping them shorthoods.
I am calling what I am up to a 74 ST. Shorthood, lightweight, and a handful of backdated features that I'm doing just because I like them better. And of course my mother of all correctness sins, contemplating turning a 911/83 case into a 2.5l.
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Back in'95 I put my fully restored '73T up for sale so I could by an SC donor car for a turbo conversion. No one wanted that car. It was ugly by modern standards and everyone hated the bumpers. Gave it away for pennies on the dollar and bought the SC which I updated with 965 F/G bumpers. Funny how fickle trends are.
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(Very) generally speaking, younger enthusiast seem to prefer the impact bumper era. One younger friend told me that long hoods look too "old man sunday driver-ish"
Yup, old fogies here mostly trying to live out their "outlaw" fantasies !
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I have never liked the longhood look despite having owned a 70S and a 71T. I much prefer my 74 and 75 bumper cars. So who cares about the values? A Picasso is valuable, but who would hang it in their house? (hideous)
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I have never liked the longhood look despite having owned a 70S and a 71T. I much prefer my 74 and 75 bumper cars. So who cares about the values? A Picasso is valuable, but who would hang it in their house? (hideous)
Have you seen The Accountant? I don't know why your post made me think of the artwork from that film. Though I am fond of both Picasso and Pollack.
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You can cure yourself of the fondness by looking through the Picasso museum in Barcelona

But seriously, Porsche was always several or maybe 5-10 years behind the styling curve. The longhood was a late 50's to early 60's design cue that lingered much too long until the mid 70's.
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The longhood was a late 50's to early 60's design cue that lingered much too long until the mid 70's.


Say what............. 911 is the definition of iconic. today's 991 is a variation.....
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You can cure yourself of the fondness by looking through the Picasso museum in Barcelona

But seriously, Porsche was always several or maybe 5-10 years behind the styling curve. The longhood was a late 50's to early 60's design cue that lingered much too long until the mid 70's.
Styling was never Porsche's long suit. They were and still are an acquired taste stylistically. Form followed function and still does.
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Starting to sound like Clarkson and Hammond in here.
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Styling was never Porsche's long suit. They were and still are an acquired taste stylistically. Form followed function and still does.
either you do or you don't & I do... ive always been a function over form guy, just check my wardrobe out sometime...
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Say what............. 911 is the definition of iconic. today's 991 is a variation.....
Long hood and bumpers were definitely dated by 69.... not the shell. Iconic can still be long in the tooth and out out style. Or maybe I'm just a iconoclast

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Styling was never Porsche's long suit. They were and still are an acquired taste stylistically. Form followed function and still does.
Odd that a high end product is not stylish. /s

Form followed function???
(every car has its faults, but... Porsche appears to have went out of their way to preserve some of their industry backwardness)

bottom pivot pedals - rust out and corrode, are silly and are Model T technology

clutch cable - even the lowly Toyota had gone to a hydraulic clutch by the early 70's

Rube Goldberg power brake set up- should have gone to hanging pedals & hydraulic clutch at the time of introduction

air cooling - even motor cycle manufacturers gave up long before Porsche did

Effort enough to run oil lines, thermostat and oil radiator up front, but not just a little more effort for watercooling

timing chain tensioners lol lol

Model T heater system- never improved until the 996 in 99- really?

Ventilation system and heater controls- ha ha ha ha A/C never integrated, always just hung on.

A/C so notoriously horrible even with people that know nothing about Pcars know it is bad.

Fragile transmissions

Crazy multi piece carpet design, why? the industry went to one piece molded long before the 911 was introduced

Wood floor boards - more Model T heritage?

Lack of inner fender liners forever



I'm sure I have missed quite a few other faults you guys can fill in, hey, that would be a great thread topic.

Despite all of the above I still own a few and wrench on them, but I don't get hung up on the supposed Porsche engineering superiority, because there is none.

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You forgot rear engine.
Good point. BUTT the excessively rear weight biased design has allowed for more than half a century of poetical musings about how it takes "real skill" to drive one of these cars - Porsche was on the cutting edge of false ego stroking!
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