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Buyers Beware - 21k 1987 911 Targa

I remember this car from BAT. Pretty obvious it's the wrong tach. No mention of it anywhere in the new classified.

Brand new Ad from dealer:http://www.intersportperformance.com/1987-Porsche-911/Used-ClassicCar/Mclean-VA/10719599/Details.aspx

Recently sold on BAT 2/15/18: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-porsche-911-carrera-targa-3/

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Interesting this 1984 coupe with 45k miles looks much newer or less used than that 1987 targa. To my untrained non professional eye

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BAT ad confirms the 21K mileage.

Was it a problem there ?
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BAT ad confirms the 21K mileage.

Was it a problem there ?

Read the comments on BAT. Why do you think the car only sold for $41.5k on BAT when a 116k 84 Carrera just sold for more. Have you seen a 180 MPH speedo on 3.2L Carrera before? I never have.

Carfax and condition don't add up IMO. That is why I started this Buyers Beware thread.

0/17/1994 OH -6,970.mi – Auto Auction
10/02/1997 OH -6,970.mi – State Agency
05/04/2004 OH -6,970.mi – Motor Vehicle Dept.
08/15/2005 OH -15,000.mi – Independent Emission Source
09/03/2014 OH -17,111.mi – Motor Vehicle Dept

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IMHO, looking at the ad without actual receipts dating back to 1987, I call BS on the mileage...
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Read the comments on BAT. Why do you think the car only sold for $41.5k on BAT when a 116k 84 Carrera just sold for more. Have you seen a 180 MPH speedo on 3.2L Carrera before? I never have.

Carfax and condition don't add up IMO. That is why I started this Buyers Beware thread.

0/17/1994 OH -6,970.mi Auto Auction
10/02/1997 OH -6,970.mi State Agency
05/04/2004 OH -6,970.mi Motor Vehicle Dept.
08/15/2005 OH -15,000.mi Independent Emission Source
09/03/2014 OH -17,111.mi Motor Vehicle Dept
You are missing the point.

BAT still says 21K in the link. If it's a verified issue, shouldn't they correct the headline as well ?
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You are missing the point.

BAT still says 21K in the link. If it's a verified issue, shouldn't they correct the headline as well ?
I'm not sure how BAT runs there business regarding headlines but if you click on the auction it says "21k Miles Shown" not 21k documented miles.

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I'm not sure how BAT runs there business regarding headlines but if you click on the auction it says "21k Miles Shown" not 21k documented miles.
I didn't bother reading beyond the BAT headline which states

21K-Mile 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera Targa

in big bold font.
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I didn't bother reading beyond the BAT headline which states

21K-Mile 1987 Porsche 911 Carrera Targa

in big bold font.
To me, it seems that once again, BaT is delving into serious fraudulent territory regarding their descriptions and writing.

That's the headline. Why would you think or would be lead to believe otherwise? It states 21K Mile right up front.

Sorry, but again, these guys seems to take these shenanigans in stride, and then seem to gloss over very pertinent details that would otherwise make the car sell for a lot less.
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Guys. The car already sold on BAT last month for $41.5k plus fees. If you followed the auction and commentary anyone who bid on that car knew there was most likely a mileage discrepancy.

The problem is that the car was bought by a dealer (a self proclaimed "Porsche specialist") who is asking over $10k more and well knows this car isn't a 21k mile example. This is why I started the thread.

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All the credibility goes out the door just because of the all caps alone!
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Replacement windshield and a repaint on a 21000 mile car with no accidents? I've got a bridge to sell.
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Mileage fraud's a felony.

But as someone said, "no one" gets caught for this.
So is copying CDs and DVDs - and as you said - the enforcement of mileage tampering is pretty much non-existent. Probably because in the computer age it is/isn't? easier or harder? I am not sure. Or that the law basically leaves it up to the individual to decide? I suspect the law would only step in if it were a dealer that was doing it with every car on the lot. It probably comes down to it is hard, if not very hard, to prove what the exact mileage is on an older car if there is no paper trail. I don't know how you would do it.

If the headline states 21K mile 911, then it should be a 21K-mile 911.

I would vet the cars a hell of a lot more closely if I owned the BaT website. It comes down to basic common sense.
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So is copying CDs and DVDs - and as you said - the enforcement of mileage tampering is pretty much non-existent. Probably because in the computer age it is/isn't? easier or harder? I am not sure. Or that the law basically leaves it up to the individual to decide? I suspect the law would only step in if it were a dealer that was doing it with every car on the lot. It probably comes down to it is hard, if not very hard, to prove what the exact mileage is on an older car if there is no paper trail. I don't know how you would do it.

If the headline states 21K mile 911, then it should be a 21K-mile 911.

I would vet the cars a hell of a lot more closely if I owned the BaT website. It comes down to basic common sense.
Agree. If I was BAT I would of definitely took the 21k off the headline after it was pointed out the tach wasn't original. But then again who buys a car just off a headline.
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