930 slant nose authenticity question-help!
 

so i've had the car inspected-steel hood check, oil cooler, single motor, etc check...

i have a factory certificate of authenticity that say it had the factory slantnose option...

BUT

vin number is WP0JB0938HS051192

this reads as an ordinary 911 -am i making a mistake-don't factory slant nose VIN's start WP0EB..?

help!

thanks

What year?

here is a factory slant...same vin..hope this helps

1987 Porsche 930 Coupe for Sale 1952 | Truspeed Motorcars

Here is your VIN breakdown. At the bottom under "unable to find" is code is I505. As you probably know M505 is Slantnose.


Model year: 1987

Model ID: 911

Engine Code KW HP Liter Cylinders Model
930.68 210 286 3,30 6 911 TURBO (USA)
930.68 221 300 3,30 6 911 TURBO USA

Transmission Code: 930.36

Options found on your vehicle.

M220 Locking differential 40 %

M533 Anti-theft device

M650 Electrical sliding roof

The following codes were found, but the description may not be accurate.

I383 Vertical seat adjustment, right

I387 Carrera GT bucket seat xt, right

We were not able to find definitions for any codes below this line.

I158

I505

I975

it's a 1987..it seems as though 87's had a J in the vin, and 88's an E...

but that's not good news re finding the 505...

here's the certificate of authenticity...http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1313671870.jpg

try this for codes Porsche Option Decoder

Hey Phil check out post #3

Anyone has info on this guy "lowmileshasbeens" - Rennlist Discussion Forums

I looked in my factory slantnose database and most of the 87's I have are J's.

I own 2 factory slantnose coupe's and they start are J's for the 4th digit too.

You can call Porsche in Altanta to confirm but from the COA it looks to be legitimate.

I have some 88's and 89's with J's too on the database.

what is the asking price of the car?

Sounds like it was a factory slant. Were it an "ordinary 911" you'd also have a "1" where the "3" is in you VIN. The "3" designates that it's a turbo car. A "1" in that space would indicate that it started it's life as a normally-aspirated car.

I noticed some inconsistency between the "J" and "E" when I was searching for a car. Books would say one thing and the actual stamped VIN and accompanying paperwork would say the other.

Also don't freak out if you find a stamped VIN in the front trunk with WPOZZZ... That's one place that all cars--even US models--had the "ZZZ" designation in the VIN, though the rest of the VINs on the car and paperwork should read the proper JBO/EBO/ABO.

There's nothing in the VIN, itself, that will tell you if this is a factory slant or aftermarket conversion with proper parts.

wow! that's the guy i've been dealing with....he'd be making quite a profit from me...

Phil

The 3 listed as "We were not able to find definitions for any codes below this line" at post 4 are listed on you COA.

I158 (Reno Radio for 1987)

I505 (Slant nose for USA)

I975 (Velour carpet in luggage compartment)

Not sure what the M or I in front are but when you look for option decoding you only use the number

Vin: http://www.***********.com/life/vin/vin.php

Code: http://www.964uk.com/Documents/Porsche%20Option%20Codes.pdf

Well, then, use the poor leakdown numbers as ammunition to lower down the price, as you now know roughly what he's got invested in flipping the car. ;)

WHAT poor leakdown numbers?!

Sorry phil. Got your car mixed up with someone else asking about pre-purchase advice on a 930.

lol! that's a relief!

I'll BET it is....:D:D:D:D

Did you get the car?

Factory Slant
 

You can contact Marc Noack at marc.noack@porsche.de.....He works at Porsche in Stuttgart. I recently went through this when I purchased a 1987 930S Slant....it indeed was a factory car. My car is a Sunderwunsch...or special wishes and it does not have the 505 designation on the sticker...so that does not mean that just because your car does not have the 505 option code that it is not a factory car. A few features to look for are boxed rockers, one headlight motor, additional oil cooler under the front valance (usually found only on Euro cars), the vanes in the inlet behind the door are made of wood....hope this helps....DR

+1 for Marc he is the man...

The strakes behind the doors ARE NOT made of wood. They are composite plastic, held in place by two stainless screws on one side and locating pins on the opposite side of the strake. I don't know how this "wood" thing got its start, but at best its urban myth and at worst total misinformation. You read it everywhere and we've got to stop propagating this. Cayman S, I'm not singling you out on this, it's everywhere, but calling attention to information that may sway people from an actual slantnose vehicle.
The early prototypes may have had wood strakes, but the Sunderwunsch or M505/506's did not.

WERK I I have always read that those ribs where made of wood

But you can tell a turbo from a non turbo on the VIN

Email the person at Porsche because he for sure will tell you if the car is a Sonderwunsch program car

Mine is a real deal, the slats appear to be a composite materiel. Without actually taking it apart I can't say 100%.

I love watching you guys fight. It's awesome. How bout one of you takes off their vents and drills a hole to see if you get wood shavings or composite bits.
Composite... hahahaha. Maybe on those cars that had the machine stamped front fenders. But the original 930S has wood slats and hand formed fenders (or do you want to argue that too). I have personally taken mine off and checked. But then again... who the F am I... just a guy that has personally taken them off and checked.
Hey Ralph... please set these guys straight!!!

DSPTurtle,
Do you think I haven't taken mine off to check? I have and refinished them. No wood shavings. Plastic. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the sunderwunsch product evolved over time?
Handformed, a.k.a.welded front fenders, were done early before Porsche realized its more cost effective to stamp them instead of welding. Do remember 930 rear flairs were handformed before Porsche stamped the turbo bodies in '86?

Hey, my sample size is very limited but one thing that I've encountered regularly is that there are no absolutes when it comes to these cars.

The slats on my '88 are definitely not made from a uniform material like a metal or molded plastic but are made from some sort of "pressed" or "fibrous" material. Whether that's wood based or some synthetic plastic I am not sure. So short of destroying mine I can't say for sure on the M505 cars. I'll have to ask my source at the factory.

Probably should have done that a while ago anyway....I would guess that both answers were correct at different points in time.

I have some damaged rear brake veins from a factory M505 and they are like a foam core. They are not wood. I think the wood was used on the earliest models until around 84 or 85.

Thanks Ralph. It will be good to know.

Hey Werk1, when did you get your car? Your center console (from the pic in your "garage") doesn't appear to be of the standard fare that the special wishes program put in these cars. Did you backdate it?

I know that the slats on my '85 are wood... I had to repair a chip from a rock or something on the leading edge of one of my slats.

From my experience the wood ones look smooth like shaped wood would, the others just look like fake wood.

DSPTurtle.
On the Special Wishes options list. there were interior upgrades available that the PO opted not to get.

Correction: WOOD
Took a close look, most definitely wood.