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Eusebi 11-12-2015 09:52 AM

Help about this cylinder marks
 
I'm rebuilding a 2'7 engine and I've found this marks on the wall of several cyilinders. With the finger i can not notice crackes; its completely smooth.

Can someone help? It's a symptom of material failure?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1447354170.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1447354241.jpg

Thanks!!!

wdfifteen 11-26-2015 05:46 PM

This should be interesting.
Is there any chance the engine sat at the surface experienced some corrosion, then the engine was run enough to polish it off? I've seen something kind of similar, though not as extensive, on cast iron cylinders.

Walt Fricke 11-26-2015 08:57 PM

Are these Nikasil cylinders (a magnet will be lightly attracted to the surface you show with those cracks) or Alusil (completely non-magnetic)?

Nikasil is a plating, so I could see perhaps it developing cracks, though I have not seen this. Alusil is part of the aluminum alloy itself, and I couldn't see it cracking, though that doesn't mean the cylinder surface couldn't crack.

Perhaps one of the engine builders here - they see lots more stuff than we do it yourselfers do - has seen something like this.

SoyRacer 11-27-2015 04:21 AM

Are the "shadow cracks" throughout the whole cylinder or piston height/lower position dependent per cylinder? I've seen this before.

Regards,

Rich

Eusebi 11-27-2015 10:35 AM

The cylinders are Nikasil (checked with magnet).
According to the bills that the previous owner has given to the present owner, theoretically these cylinders/pistons are brand new with 4000 miles of use!!
I have rebuild 8 engines before and never saw this.
These "shadow cracks" are visible in 4 of 6 cylinders and more visible in the highest position of the piston.

mreid 11-27-2015 10:48 AM

That looks like heat crazing to me. Did this engine overheat or was it run at high rpm for sustained periods?

Eusebi 11-27-2015 12:38 PM

I don't have information about a possible overheating. The present owner has recently bought the car and came to our workshop because the engine had oil leaks mainly at the base of the cylinders; when dismantling, the cylinderhead barrel nuts were very loose.

RedCoupe 11-27-2015 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mreid (Post 8894252)
That looks like heat crazing to me. Did this engine overheat or was it run at high rpm for sustained periods?

+1 I've seen similar spider crazing on flywheels where there was serious clutch plate slipping going on. Wonder what the rings look like?

Eusebi 11-28-2015 11:31 PM

At first look the rings seem to be in good condition. But i'll check them exhaustively this week.

mreid 11-29-2015 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eusebi (Post 8894365)
I don't have information about a possible overheating. The present owner has recently bought the car and came to our workshop because the engine had oil leaks mainly at the base of the cylinders; when dismantling, the cylinderhead barrel nuts were very loose.

This could explain the heat crazing. Extra air is like a blow torch on the cylinders. An intake leak usually burns valves, pistons, and rings. A head leak usually burns cylinders and rings.

JFairman 11-29-2015 10:01 AM

Does look heat oriented.
I wonder if those cylinders were bored and re plated or is it original Mahle nikisil plating.

tom1394racing 11-29-2015 02:11 PM

Try cleaning them up with a Scotchbrite hone. See what they look afterwards.

Eusebi 11-30-2015 09:21 AM

I'll try what happens with Scotchbrite. Also to check if the cylinders are brand new as customer says, according to the invoices that the previous owner gave to him or if they have been replated.

Eusebi 12-03-2015 11:36 AM

After analyzing the cylinders with Porsche specialist and leader workshop of Barcelona, the conclusion ist that the aluminium under the Nikasil coat is beginnin to cracke. So, there are not reusable. Nobody can identify the origin of the problem...
Thaks for your opinions

Eusebi 12-04-2015 12:35 AM

Sorry, for a bad explanation. It seems that a reaction between the aluminium and the Nikasil cover has produced; and the NIKASIL not de ALUMINIUM is beginning to cracke.

Eusebi 12-04-2015 12:37 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449221803.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1449221831.jpg


Photos made with magnifiing glass

tom1394racing 12-04-2015 02:10 AM

I recently found Nikasil delamination a brand new, unused 90 mm Mahle Nikasil cylinder. A local experienced 911 engine builder told me that he has also seen this. It seems that their current plating process may have some issues. I had mine re-plated by Millennium.


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