R1200s Laser Exhaust
 

Hi All,

A while back I asked for advice re: headers. After having received some good feedback I decided to go ahead and purchase the HPE titanium headers. My only mistake was ordering through M Tec. Without boring everyone with all the details I have long since abandoned any hope of receiving the aforementioned.

However, after much research (and hearing a clip on the internerd) I find myself starting to lust after the full laser system. So, um, I guess what I was hoping for was some feedback from those of you with any experience with this system. Happy, disappointed, good value for money, etc. - any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

I went with the Remus headers and kept the stock cans per my dealers recommendation. A bit more noise but a clean and easy installation. But that's not what you asked.....so fwiw, I helped a friend install his full Laser system. First, the Laser headers are multiple pieces held together with joints and springs which I think are unsightly. The Remus headers are a much cleaner installation. They (Laser) also didn't fit into the belly pan he ordered so he's still thinking on that one. The rest of the install is easy unless you have BMW bag mounts. With more effort than I care to remember, we did get the Laser cans to fit....just be reminded that it will be difficult and you can do it. Sound is good....no complaints. Laser has a rep for solid quality so it's unlikely you'll burn the system out like I did a Two Brothers racing cat replacement pipe on an R1100S. And last but not least, don't expect to save any weight. The Laser double cans are as heavy as the stock can, but they look cool.

What is your objective?

Lasers are good value, at least comparatively. Not sure what they go for these days. Plenty, I'm sure, will jump in here with their $1,500 - $2,000 exhausts to tell you about them however. Well, plenty being definded as about 5 since there were only 10 of these bikes sold in total anyway...

The Remus headers seem to be the way to go for small power increases, the slip-on side is aesthetics. Laser has the more traditional r1100s look, if that's what you like.

go with the Remus header, and if you like the car muffler look get the cans too, the race one is pretty wild looking and I have seen some on eBay recently. You might also look for an Akra can, they are good looking and got a spiffy bit of CF on the end. I have the Remus header with the HPE back end. The HPE is a very stealth look, is relatively inexpensive ($1K) and comes with a cool CF cover. I got my HPE stuff from Sierra BMW, reach out to Tom Lynn in parts if you are interested.

Try Sandbar Composites for HPE. Great service.

...maybe an half our !...

...pre mount the whole pipe and can caboodle OFF the bike ; so, on the garage floor or something like that...

...get it on the bike (no extra help needed)...

...and tighten the bolt and nuts when the system is ON the bike...


...easy... SmileWavy


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Hey Guys,

Thanks for the responses.

As you did last time you've turned me around a bit here.

I've always loved the look of the 1100 and I really like the look of the Laser cans. I was however worried about the look of all the joints on the headers (Thanks Bob!).

I'm now thinking of doing something similiar to Shreddr and going with Remus headers and Laser exhaust, but what do you guys think of mix and matching? I'm not looking to get that last nth percent hp but I don't want to go back-wards either. Shreddr, how did that work out for you? Did you dyno the bike before and after? Did everything line up and fit together pretty well? It may be a different issue but I seem to remember someone having this go sideways with the Zard end can.

What I said was...."The rest of the install is easy unless you have BMW bag mounts." Which you don't.

I doubt there is much issue with mixing and matching, although I am sure the exhaust manufacturers would tell you differently. Everybody makes a slip on that fits the stock header, and the Remus header fits the stock can, so there sould be no compatability issue. I do like the fact that the remus header doesn't have the cross over pipe, and I cant begin to comment on why the others do and this one doesnt, all i know is its a great sounding and very quick system. no dyon runs to show though, and I never ran stock so i can't comment on that either, i bought it with the full Remus. if you like the rocket motor look go with the remus cans, otherwise there are other more aesthetically pleasing mufflers IMHO.

Before I bought any exhaust, I would look for some dyno runs verse stock! Instead of seat of the pants comparisons, Like some of the people on this board would have you do!!:eek:

But then what happens when the numbers don't add up to helping you justify spending all that money! Now you gotta lie. I'd rather just hide in ignorance and refer to the experience of my ButtDyno. :D

Ron, do you know what kind of metal the laser cans are made of? Yours sure look good polished, do they stay that way for a while?

So Bob whats your point, I would rather know the real numbers and make adjustments from the data!

Laser pipes and header
 

The Laser is nice, and the issue with the belly pan would probably not be a problem for most folks, since most apparently run stock, without the pan. Hornig has not adapted the belly pan mounts for use with a Laser system (even though they sell the Laser also, I believe). So that means some modification would be needed -- which I plan to do , and can make more specific comments then.

Some argue that having the crosspipe is desirable (one particular race mechanic, for example). However, that may be debatable and something to be proven or not by dyno runs. Bob H. has the Remus header, without the crosspipe, and it runs strong.

The joints and springs on the laser header are not as "clean" looking as the Remus , but looks kind of "racy" and is not that bad really.

I do love the look of the laser cans, and the sound is awesome without the inserts. the photo is without the belly pan, while the full system was installed. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1231105532.jpg

It is more difficult to mount the cans, as Bob said, with bag mounts on the bike, but it CAN be done. It is a close fit, but with the adjustability of the Laser cans and how they fit, they will go on WITHOUT modification to the bag mounts.



Has anyone out there used the Laser system with a Power Commander to tune the fuel map for more hp?

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No point to make, Tom. Just me trying to be funny....hence that big ole green smiley thing. See? :D

I know BOB I took the bait:eek::eek: just pulling your leg:D:D
How was your X-Mas and new years :confused:

By the way what happened to Ducati of Atlanta :confused:
And what dealer do you recommend ?

Reference Atlanta Ducati.....I only know rumour. You getting a Ducati? Hard to beat DucShop in Marietta. Mark Sutton is first rate....and he has a dyno! :D

And if you need BMW work, Zach is there now.

Maybe a 1198S

Definitely DucShop for something like that.

I have Remus Headers, Akrapovic Exhaust and a Techlusion to smooth it all out... how's that for mix and match?

...though it's not a PC, the Techlusion still does the job very well... it's easy to adjust, gives you as many (if not more) options to adjust than the PC and can be had a bit cheaper.

We had the bike on the dyno to see where the holes are and it runs pretty smooth now with 119.1/81.2 on the rear wheel...

More than enough for me.