Lennies BMW Rocket Sprockets new pricing

[lennie]

I have reduced the price of the Rocket Sprockets for international customers by $20.00 to $210.00 AUD to be the same as local Australian pricing and included international registered mail and PayPal charges.

$210.00 AUD is $198.84 USD

$210.00 AUD is 124.60 GBP

$210.00 AUD is 146.84 Euro

Just go to Boxer-Performance - BMW Performance Products for ordering.

The Rocket Sprockets are 9 degree advance cam timing sprockets to fit all BMW R series twins, the cam in head models from R850 to R1200 up to and not including the twin cam models. These sprockets move the torque peak 800 to 1,000 rpm lower in the rev range improving throttle response and less need to downshift for all types of riding.

[OwenM]

Mate, do you really think price has a significant effect on sales?
Its a shame more people are not aware of or dont understand the value of your sprockets, its their loss IMHO. After fitting them to two R1200's they are a "must have" product as far as I am concerned, first thing I would add to any R series.

[lennie]

Owen,

Some say it is price and I have lowered iit 10%.

I am glad you are so happy and feel the way you do as it is the same for most that fit them.

I think it is more a matter of marketing to the masses.

You are obviously not telling enough friends. [img]http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/wat6.gif[/img

[Chris Canning]

Price is absolutely everything now,more the 1100s but as the bike has dropped down the food chain it's a different clientel,when was the last time you saw a thread on carbon fibre wheels or big bucks exhaust and the moment anything exotic is mentioned you get 'Pheww half the value of the bike' the good old days are long gone

[OwenM]

Come on.....If $20 is the difference between buying and not the prospective purchaser really cant afford to run a motorcycle IMHO, let alone a BMW. Most would spend that much on lunch, add in fuel, running costs etc and a days ride would cost me $100.

Perceived difficulty in fitting the sprockets, or the cost - inconvenience of having someone else fit them would seem like a much bigger issue to me than a measly $20.

[Chris Canning]

Originally Posted by OwenM

Come on.....If $20 is the difference between buying and not the prospective purchaser really cant afford to run a motorcycle IMHO, let alone a BMW. Most would spend that much on lunch, add in fuel, running costs etc and a days ride would cost me $100.

Perceived difficulty in fitting the sprockets, or the cost - inconvenience of having someone else fit them would seem like a much bigger issue to me than a measly $20.

The bottom line it's an old banger,there are 3 factions 1,those that used to own one,2 those that have had one a long time,3 those that have now bought because they are cheap and cheerfull,jeeze you even see posts about putting chips in now they stopped close to 10 years ago because there were better options,but who's going to spend on an Induct/SJ filter/and PC,the game has moved on or is that down since your time.

It's not about $20 it's the perception how come you don't own one!! exactly.

[shreddr]

It's great that there are people who have bought the sprockets and are happy with them. I agree with Owen and Chris though, price is not restricting your sales it is ease of installation and the limited pool you are fishing in. The old guys who buy old bikes tend to "repair" them not upgrade them.

Lennie you are a smart guy and have a passion for BMW's, if I put my marketing guy hat on I would tell you to go figure out what is needed on the new water pumpers that can be easily installed by the end user. Look at all the Touratech crap, surely you can come up with some tidbit that bolts on and makes the user think his bike is better.

Time to move on brother, and up the game. The other item that comes to mind is Rapid's bar backs, an interesting product for sure, but a one trick pony and most of the pony's are dead. Would be much better to be Heli and coming out with a new version for the new bikes every year, at least that is sustainable.

[lennie]

The intereesting things is the sprockets fit all models R850 to R1200 single cam bikes and still do the same for all.

It is a limited market more about market awareness than anything and the perception of difficulty in fitting. Ihave updated install notes that are much better and help.

I have been asked by many about price and this is my response. Lets see what happens.

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by Chris Canning

The bottom line it's an old banger,there are 3 factions 1,those that used to own one,2 those that have had one a long time,3 those that have now bought because they are cheap and cheerfull,jeeze you even see posts about putting chips in now they stopped close to 10 years ago because there were better options,but who's going to spend on an Induct/SJ filter/and PC,the game has moved on or is that down since your time.

It's not about $20 it's the perception how come you don't own one!! exactly.

As Lennie has pointed out, the sprockets fit the R1200 bikes up to 2010, not exactly old bangers. I own two of them and have fitted sprockets to both because there are no better options that I am aware of. One can spend many times the price on bolt on options like exhausts and tuning systems, but none will give the broad torque boost and improved low rpm running of Lennies sprockets.

The RT and extremely popular GS/GSA models are prime candidates for Lennies sprockets. More relaxed touring due to less gear changing and significantly less clutch slipping required when loaded up with passenger/luggage or when picking ones way through the rough stuff off road.
I sincerely believe BMW made a mistake by not providing this type of performance from the factory. Way to much emphasis on maximum HP numbers and top end that few people ever use, or could use and stay out of jail.

[signit98]

probably not, I think what has more of an effect is the lack of publicity .
There is clear value in these sprockets . People just have a hard time grasping that concept. The installation scares a few and then there are the "blinded" reactions of "if it was so good, BMW would have done it" .
Short of shreddr, I don't know anyone who doesn't like the improvement in driveability. There is general interest,but if you can't do it yourself,the added installation cost can seriously cut into someone's Starbucks budget .

[Chris Canning]

Have a look at any post in the last couple of years either on here or Boxertrix and compare those to 10 years ago or even 5 for that matter everything now comes down to money as for the sprockets themselves,if you have a 1200 don't go fitting them and then try to have a Rexxer map blown in because they won't do it,doesn't take any working out does it.

I've had my 1100s close on 14 years from Dymags to Ti front wheel spindle and god knows what else in between and it's still on going more torque?? out of an 1100cc twin ,quicker steering,less weight, more HP and quicker and I'm more than happy to put my induct/SJ filter/PC with a custom map anything else,the one thing I know about torque it lets you laugh first,HP lets you laugh last!!

[signit98]

It's the shift in the torque band that makes these sprockets so much fun... the motor doesn't deliver more torque, just a lot sooner... makes for very relaxed riding (mind you, I didn't say slow).

[OwenM]

Yes, peak torque at about 7000rpm is no higher, but from idle up to about 6000 (the range used most often) there is more torque than standard. The lower the rpm the greater the difference.

I find a can travel faster and with less effort in the twisties due to the broader spread of torque that allows less gear changes. I can concentrate more on my breaking points and cornering lines. Certainly more fun.

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by Chris Canning

Have a look at any post in the last couple of years either on here or Boxertrix and compare those to 10 years ago or even 5 for that matter everything now comes down to money as for the sprockets themselves,if you have a 1200 don't go fitting them and then try to have a Rexxer map blown in because they won't do it,doesn't take any working out does it.

I've had my 1100s close on 14 years from Dymags to Ti front wheel spindle and god knows what else in between and it's still on going more torque?? out of an 1100cc twin ,quicker steering,less weight, more HP and quicker and I'm more than happy to put my induct/SJ filter/PC with a custom map anything else,the one thing I know about torque it lets you laugh first,HP lets you laugh last!!

Chris, you seem remarkably negative about a product you apparently have not experienced, why is that?

I have found absolutely no need to have the BMSK on my R1200 bikes with standard exhausts remapped, waste of time and money as far as I am concerned. All they have needed was the forcing of the slightly richer maps already programed into the ECU. That can be easily achieved with a very simple $10 home made temperature spoofing device. Both bikes pull cleanly and strongly from idle to red line with no issues, noticeably better than standard, especially at lower rpm. More get up and go is available over the majority of the rev range with an imperceptible loss (if any) at the rev limiter. That's ideal for my use as I, like most here I suspect, spend very little time above 7000rpm.
Spend as much time and money as you want on snorkels, air filters, Rapid Bikes or ECU remapping, but you cant equal what the sprockets do as advancing the cam timing fundamentally affects how the engine draws in air.


I have never ridden an R1100, but have owned all versions of the 1200 hex head engines, plus ridden the cam head and water boxer. I dont rate any of them as strong performers below 4000rpm, even compared to big twin Italian super sports bikes that are designed for top end power with far higher rev limits.
Compared to big 4 cylinder bikes like the K1300 the boxer is gutless down low.

BMW obviously figured they needed to improve torque spread as the cam head was a step in that direction and considered to be "better" because of it.

In back to back testing I found my R1200GS hex head with Lennies sprockets very competitive with the cam head GS, it actually felt smoother and stronger down low. The water boxer GS I tested seemed to have only improved in the top end, not very useful IMHO.

[Chris Canning]

Your barking up the wrong tree selling aftermarket for the 1100s is a waste of time,most aftermarket bits for the said bike are unobtainable because demand has ceased so production has stopped,you can't sell a product when there's no demand,low price will/may help it's seems to be the priority on both boards.

Re performance,the only problem I've had with my 1100s is lack of HP,low end grunt it's got loads even two up with a pile of kit I've never thought I need more another, 10hp?? well maybe,but that's why I own a K.

The Induct was also a fantastic idea and worked well.

Shreddr hit the nail on the head 'Time to move on'

[ATA]

Originally Posted by Chris Canning

Price is absolutely everything now,more the 1100s but as the bike has dropped down the food chain it's a different clientel,when was the last time you saw a thread on carbon fibre wheels or big bucks exhaust and the moment anything exotic is mentioned you get 'Pheww half the value of the bike' the good old days are long gone

With you, TY for expressing ever so clearly!
As in usage or difference in using Lennies... don't know, haven't tested, been tempted... but will see if this discussion will lead somewhere...

[lennie]

Lots to catch up on here.

There are many of each model made and as people become aware of the sprockets they ask questions and purchase.

The products are not at their end of life and do make the bikes more fun to ride as describe by many.

I am easy, if people want to buy them then that is ok, and if not then that is ok too.

I like how they move the torque lower and make the bikes much more fun to ride.

[JimMoore]

Do you have curves that show torque and hp for "unsprocketed" and "sprocketed" R1100S engines?

[GDM]

Check the web site.

Performance Charts R1100S BMW

Gerry

[Chris Canning]

Originally Posted by ATA

With you, TY for expressing ever so clearly!
As in usage or difference in using Lennies... don't know, haven't tested, been tempted... but will see if this discussion will lead somewhere...

You can turn an 1100s into a dammed good bike,don't tell me their good in stock trim because they ain't,the problem being it costs money and the better the bike you want to build the more it costs,the modern day clientel don't think that way,have a look at the para lever thread about the cost of a Verholen

As for what works,Lennies Induct/SJ filter/and a PC although I'd doubt if most folks have no more financial stomach for the cost of a PC than Lennies sprockets.