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VincentVega 10-12-2018 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by drcoastline (Post 10213435)
Craftsman put Craftsman down. Their quality has steadily declined for twenty plus years. As the quality declined people started buying other brands including HF. And of course HD and Lowes both have no questions asked return policies and HF has a lifetime warranty just like Craftsman. So it doesn't stand above the crowd any longer. Craftsman will live on as part of the Lowes brand now. Kenmore may also be absorbed by someone.

The decline of Craftsman was just one nail of many in Sears coffin. I think what really started their decline was when they entered the money lending business, Credit cards and Mortgages. And of course hitching the wagon to Kmart just ensured they wouldn't survive. But that is the cycle of life. It's not the first time an institution has fallen and it won't be the last. One day we may very well be reading a thread on Walmart, Apple, Amazon?

My first nice wrench set was Craftsman professional, early 90's. Great tools, use them almost every day. I lost a wrench, dumb move, and cant find a replacement. Sure, I can buy a twice as thick, clunky Craftsman professional but its a POS. Their rebranded toolboxes suck, pick the cheap model and scale it down. I cant stand the place. Was there earlier this year and I their couldnt have been 10 people in the entire store. Really weird feeling, like it was closed and I shouldnt be there. Rows of empty low quality stuff.

pksystems 10-12-2018 11:56 AM

Sears Canada went under ~2 years ago. Good riddance. Even their going out of business prices were more then anyone else's regular prices.

JavaBrewer 10-12-2018 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VincentVega (Post 10213770)
Was there earlier this year and I their couldnt have been 10 people in the entire store. Really weird feeling, like it was closed and I shouldnt be there. Rows of empty low quality stuff.

I had the same experience last year in my local Sears. Felt like the store was already closed. Lots of empty shelves, poorly organized, and no employees. Surprisingly it's still open for business today but the parking lot on that side of the mall is lightly used.

This mall is anchored by the following shops

- JCPenney (2 floors)
- Macy's (3 floors)
- Nordstrom (3 floors)
- Sears (2 floors)
- Target (3 floors)

The Target is a new-comber and is also a grocery store. JCPenny and Sears are not going to be around much longer IMO. The Macy's and Nordstrom are always busy. Lots of restaurants have moved in along with some bars and a bowling alley.

onewhippedpuppy 10-12-2018 12:36 PM

Harbor Freight is Craftsman but at half the price, and they don’t try to hide the fact that everything is made in China. Good riddance.

RKDinOKC 10-12-2018 12:41 PM

When growing up an adjustable wrench was made by Cresent and grew up calling it a Cresent wrench. Few years ago I was given a very nice 200pcs Cresent tool set. Every single tool in the set had the name Cresent on it except for the one adjustable wrench. No name at all.

rfuerst911sc 10-14-2018 05:25 AM

Like many I grew up with Sears they were the go to store for anything . But as competition grew the items Sears sold no longer were exclusive there were more choices by similar retailers . Then the internet hit along with smaller boutique type stores and in the blink of an eye Sears lost their identity . Most stores were in " the mall " which had also lost its appeal so Sears was stuck with the footprint of their mall stores . Add to that poor management vision on what to do to turn things around . Sears is now heading to where Montgomery Wards and many others have gone .

If they make it out of Chapter 11 they will just be a shell of what they once were . It is sad but just a perfect example of resting on your laurels and not re-inventing yourself and staying relevant . It takes REAL leadership in ANY industry to reach and maintain excellence .

asphaltgambler 10-14-2018 09:05 AM

No - I believe this is it. What ever iconic / unique branding associated with them, has already been sold off. Prolly the dumbest- eat move initially was to sell their credit card division.

Rtrorkt 10-14-2018 09:29 AM

my grandfather worked for Sears for 30 years in Moline, IL. Made a good life for himself, my grandmother and mother. The Sears catalog was one of the great things to arrive in the mail. And the Christmas catalog with its toys, was special. Have a pocket watch that Sears made or sold for the railroad conductors somewhere. Not good to see this sort of innovative company, in the day, die

Zeke 10-14-2018 10:32 AM

Sears was never an esteemed place for me. Once when I was just starting out working in the trades I heard their work boots were great. I didn't know much about boots so I went in a bought some. Worst most uncomfortable boots ever and I think they were made overseas even back then. If not, maybe Mexico although I always figured Mexico could make good leather goods. But that's is beside the point.

Their other workwear was only average. Pennys was at least as good. I don't remember if Sears carried Levi's but I don't think so. Back then, Levi's were the toughest jeans going. Sears just didn't fit the CA lifestyle, like an alien amongst the retail establishment.

Then there was the time that I didn't get a statement from their credit dept and they immediately put me into collections. I had sent a change of address in with the previous bill. All done at that point forever with Sears. (I use to buy their Die Hard batteries.)

tabs 10-14-2018 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rtrorkt (Post 10215389)
my grandfather worked for Sears for 30 years in Moline, IL. Made a good life for himself, my grandmother and mother. The Sears catalog was one of the great things to arrive in the mail. And the Christmas catalog with its toys, was special. Have a pocket watch that Sears made or sold for the railroad conductors somewhere. Not good to see this sort of innovative company, in the day, die

Yep cause now you had something to wipe with.

tabs 10-14-2018 10:51 AM

Back in the 60's I thought Sears was a stodgy store....their prices high and plain jane merchandise.

They had long service life quality tools, work wear, batteries, shocks and appliances...

I am still using my 10/1996 Kenmore washing machine...

I don't think their thinking ever advanced beyond the late 40's or early 50's.

For a company that started as a mail order catalog it seems strange that they would be done in by essentially a mail order (internet) business model.

LakeCleElum 10-14-2018 11:22 AM

When I was a kid, we used to order a crate of live baby chickens (chicks) in a box.

You had to be near the phone when they arrived. Clerk didn't want to listen to them and couldn't feed 'em...

rfuerst911sc 10-14-2018 11:53 AM

We used to use Sears Spectrum motor oil how many of you here remember that ? It was in round quart cans that you punctured with an oil spout .......... remember oil spouts ? :D

stevej37 10-14-2018 12:26 PM

Sure do...but these would work just as well...
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...r-jpg.3478454/

Noah930 10-14-2018 12:34 PM

I'm not a finance guy, but I think we are all missing the financial point. The guy who owns the place doesn't care if the chain goes down the tubes. That's why there has been no innovation or attempt to keep up with the times. The value has been in the brands that have been sold off, the properties/real estate, and the names/information from customer lists that have been sold to third parties. The parts are worth more than the whole. Lampert's taken a car (albeit a formerly running one), and parted it out.

asphaltgambler 10-14-2018 01:51 PM

Another interesting note is Sears target customer in the 50's to early 70's was the middle class. Which according to most have vanished........

rfuerst911sc 10-14-2018 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 10215527)
Sure do...but these would work just as well...
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...r-jpg.3478454/

Yes but the spout gave you a fighting chance of getting the oil INTO the valve cover vs. ONTO :D Some of us are showing our age ;)

tcar 10-14-2018 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 10215593)
Yes but the spout gave you a fighting chance of getting the oil INTO the valve cover vs. ONTO :D Some of us are showing our age ;)

And with the spout, you could just insert it into the valve cover and walk away... let it drain on it's own. Without spilling.

herr_oberst 10-14-2018 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tcar (Post 10215605)
And with the spout, you could just insert it into the valve cover and walk away... let it drain on it's own. Without spilling (much).

Fixed it for you. In my world, they always slobbered a little, but it was better than the church key method.....

legion 10-14-2018 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah930 (Post 10215533)
I'm not a finance guy, but I think we are all missing the financial point. The guy who owns the place doesn't care if the chain goes down the tubes. That's why there has been no innovation or attempt to keep up with the times. The value has been in the brands that have been sold off, the properties/real estate, and the names/information from customer lists that have been sold to third parties. The parts are worth more than the whole. Lampert's taken a car (albeit a formerly running one), and parted it out.

I don't think we missed it at all.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1009955-eddie-lampert-wins.html


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