A border discussion outside PARF?

[group911@aol.co]

Let's see how long that lasts.
https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/build-the-energy-wall?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

[stomachmonkey]

On the face of it the feasibility is something that should be seriously considered and explored.

[javadog]

I think once you get into the details, the problems it might help solve could be solved in better ways and the "wall" aspect of it wouldn't amount to much. Sounds like an attempt to cover up the "build the wall" cries of the right with the useless buzzwords of the left.

You'd also attract all sorts of employment to places where there is no infrastructure to house them.

I'm sure the cartels would love a border town the entire length of the border.

[David]

I think it looks good on a map but 2,000 miles of energy is way more than the world needs so you'd have miles between facilities. Not to mention transmitting electricity over great distances is not very efficient.

[Tobra]

I think that plan would create more problems than it would solve and is pretty impractical.

For example, it talks about desalinization plants, which would require pumping water thousands of miles. Solar panels in the desert would require water to keep them clean. There would need to be cities built along the border for the worker doing the construction and running the energy farms. It is not by mistake that area of the world has such a low population density. Interesting idea, but would expect it to be less attractive as it is further explored as a possibility.

[rfuerst911sc]

In my opinion building the wall is similar to needing more gun laws , I don't think we need a wall and I don't think we need more gun laws .......... I can hear blood boiling already We have plenty of immigration laws on the books that have worked fine for a very long time . What has fallen behind is the monitoring of the borders . Everyone is always complaining we need more jobs at home ( rightly so ) well hire more border control agents ! Have more check point stations and use modern technology to help with the monitoring . I have no problem with legal immigration but do have a problem with illegal migration .

I think most rational folks that can think for a minute realize a wall on the entire 2000 mile border to the south isn't going to happen anytime soon . Between imminent domain and lawsuits it will be tied up forever ! So lets get boots on the ground and start correcting the issue . How about deploying some national guard troops in addition to hiring more border patrol agents ? You could probably pay for everything by cutting DOD budget by 5 % . End of rant carry on .

[JavaBrewer]

Agreed!

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

In my opinion building the wall is similar to needing more gun laws , I don't think we need a wall and I don't think we need more gun laws .......... I can hear blood boiling already We have plenty of immigration laws on the books that have worked fine for a very long time . What has fallen behind is the monitoring of the borders . Everyone is always complaining we need more jobs at home ( rightly so ) well hire more border control agents ! Have more check point stations and use modern technology to help with the monitoring . I have no problem with legal immigration but do have a problem with illegal migration .

I think most rational folks that can think for a minute realize a wall on the entire 2000 mile border to the south isn't going to happen anytime soon . Between imminent domain and lawsuits it will be tied up forever ! So lets get boots on the ground and start correcting the issue . How about deploying some national guard troops in addition to hiring more border patrol agents ? You could probably pay for everything by cutting DOD budget by 5 % . End of rant carry on .

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I think that plan would create more problems than it would solve and is pretty impractical.

For example, it talks about desalinization plants, which would require pumping water thousands of miles. Solar panels in the desert would require water to keep them clean. There would need to be cities built along the border for the worker doing the construction and running the energy farms. It is not by mistake that area of the world has such a low population density. Interesting idea, but would expect it to be less attractive as it is further explored as a possibility.

No doubt the French heard about a lot of impediments before starting the Panama canal- which they then proved correct.
Fortunately, someone else came along and proved it could be done.
Seems like a lot of people have given up on America's ability to accomplish
Is it necessary? NO. Is it doable? Probably in some form.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

No doubt the French heard about a lot of impediments before starting the Panama canal- which they then proved correct.
Fortunately, someone else came along and proved it could be done.
Seems like a lot of people have given up on America's ability to accomplish
Is it necessary? NO. Is it doable? Probably in some form.

Yep, just like the transcontinental railroad was finished in 1869. It was not easy, it was expensive, but it was done 150 years ago.

[Tobra]

Whether or not it can be done is not really as important a question to me as whether or not it should be done.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co

No doubt the French heard about a lot of impediments before starting the Panama canal- which they then proved correct.
Fortunately, someone else came along and proved it could be done.
Seems like a lot of people have given up on America's ability to accomplish
Is it necessary? NO. Is it doable? Probably in some form.

Maybe we should dig a new ditch along the border instead of a wall.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Maybe we should dig a new ditch along the border instead of a wall.

Only if It's filled with man eating crocodiles and piranha.

[dar636]

The DEW line was built in 3 years. In ridiculously hard places to get to and for what had to be an nationally expensive final total. And once the world situation changed and the stations weren't needed - we simply moved on.

[sammyg2]

All we gotta do it build an egg-zact copy of the Maginot Line.

The illegal immigrants will try to go around it and end up in Europe or cooba somewhere!

[stealthn]

I like the idea, but totally undoable

[URY914]

Hiring more border agents sounds easy but it's not. Who in their right mind wants to go down in the middle of nowhere and patrol the border? Any cops in your local department want to move to a **** hole town in the middle of nowhere and raise their family? Ride around all day in jeep looking for people?

[wdfifteen]

It doesn’t seem to address the issue of seizing property from lawful owners. I don’t see how this is a solution to the “urgent crisis” at our borders.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by URY914

Hiring more border agents sounds easy but it's not. Who in their right mind wants to go down in the middle of nowhere and patrol the border? Any cops in your local department want to move to a **** hole town in the middle of nowhere and raise their family? Ride around all day in jeep looking for people?

Pay me enough and I'll do most anything.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by URY914

Hiring more border agents sounds easy but it's not. Who in their right mind wants to go down in the middle of nowhere and patrol the border? Any cops in your local department want to move to a **** hole town in the middle of nowhere and raise their family? Ride around all day in jeep looking for people?

My daughter majored in criminal and forensic stuff in college.
After she got totally disillusioned with "the agency" she looked into the border patrol.
The offers were there but she said no way hoe-zay.

The pay was OK, but the rules had them handcuffed so badly they couldn't do ANYTHING. Very frustrating.

She ended up doing much better in the private world.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Pay me enough and I'll do most anything.

But Uncle Sam doesn't pay enough.