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gtc 07-08-2019 11:31 AM

If you sort through them carefully, McMaster has some reasonably priced NIST certified gauges. You could probably build yourself a very accurate tire pressure gauge for ~$100 - or less if you took the hose and valve from an old gauge.
Here's one for example, accurate to +/- 1%.
https://www.mcmaster.com/3543K21

Porchdog 07-08-2019 11:41 AM

We need calibrated pressure gauges at work. We buy new ones every other year - it's less expensive than getting them calibrated by an outside vendor.

At my previous job we had test gauges all over the plant that needed to be calibrated. We had our own, in house metrology lab. They calibrated measuring tools, pressure gauges (deadweight), thermometers and scales.

That was pretty handy for my personal stuff.

My digital and analog gauges haven't been checked in years. They do match each other and they exactly agree with the TPMS on two cars, so I think they are good enough for my purpose.

RWebb 07-08-2019 02:35 PM

ok, page 5 so I'll say it...

Nitrogen

Sooner or later 07-08-2019 02:45 PM

Still loses pressure but at a slower rate.

ian c2 07-08-2019 02:46 PM

High purity nitrogen?

RWebb 07-08-2019 02:51 PM

yes, high purity with all the isotopes lined in little rows

RKDinOKC 07-08-2019 02:58 PM

Yep, the Ashcroft dial looks like that, but only goes to 60psi, has a rubber cover and bleed valve and line with end to hook on tire valves.

KFC911 07-08-2019 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 10498283)
It is very unlikely that any measuring device you own is calibrated properly.

A cheap tire gauge? Nope.
An expensive tire gauge? Maybe. But not if it's old.
A sweep style meter? No.
Torque wrench? No.
Vernier? Probably okay.
Micrometer? Likely okay.
Ohmmeter? Likely no.

You should not be surprised.

My BS meter? Likely OK...I'm never surprised tho'

1990C4S 07-09-2019 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10516978)
My BS meter? Likely OK...I'm never surprised tho'

That one may be calibrated for life. Or it may me be beyond repair.

KFC911 07-09-2019 05:39 AM

^^^^ It's actually quite binary....an idiot light!

O reading = No BS
It moved = BS ;)

Now GOML....

wdfifteen 06-04-2021 10:31 AM

I have a few tire pressure gauges that I’ve accumulated over the decades lying around and I noticed two of the gauges were giving me wildly different readings, and none of them totally agreed. I didn't know which ones were right, so I got a new Joes Racing tire pressure gauge because it’s supposed to be the gold standard of tire gauges.
I rounded up the gauges that I have and compared them to each other and the TPMS on the right rear tire of my Volt to try to find a consensus. For what it’s worth, here are the results:

TPMS – 38 psi

Gauges, Left to right:

AMFLO - 38 psi

Accu-Gage – 40 psi

CH – 35 psi

Accu-Gage – 38 psi

Joe Racing – 40 psi

Milton – 40 psi

Silver stick – 34

Blue stick – 40

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thor66 06-04-2021 01:05 PM

Consumer Reports has your answer

smadsen 06-04-2021 09:44 PM

Buy a gauge that can be calibrated. There are companies that calibrate things, i.e. torque wrenches, tire gauges.... Request your gauge be calibrated to the area you usually measure, like 30 lbs on a 0-60 gauge. What's accurate at 20lbs. might be off at 40lbs.

porsche tech 06-05-2021 12:02 PM

Remember these? Used to come in the glove box of every new 911. Then the leather case became a cheesy black plastic one, then no more TP gauge.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1622919575.jpg

rusnak 06-05-2021 02:33 PM

^ on one of these tire pressure gauge threads, I did a comparison between one of the VDO gauges, an Italian made analog tire inflator, the Intercomp digital calibrated gauge, and the Steelman digital tire inflator.

I found that the two tire inflators are very close, and they agree with the Intercomp within less than 1 psi. The VDO gauge was way way way off.

A930Rocket 06-05-2021 04:14 PM

My friend bought a Longacre gauge at the track last weekend. It wouldn’t work on either of our cars. He went back to the track side vender and they tried another gauge on a third vehicle. It didn’t work either. Maybe everyone was using it wrong. 😳

I used my trusty gauge all weekend. Set my tires at 29 cold and when I came in, they all read 31, except the left front was 35. Tire wire at the edge was all uniform.

I’ve read a tire pyrometer is best, but needs to be used at the pit to be accurate.

herr_oberst 09-08-2024 10:23 AM

It looks like the $28 JACO digital (dial type) is worth a look

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red 928 09-08-2024 12:55 PM

my car has a built in tire pressure gauge.
if the pressure gets too low,
the light on the dash comes on.
All I have to do is pump the tires up for 5 or 10 seconds
and the light goes out.
problem solved. ;)

Sooner or later 09-08-2024 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red 928 (Post 12317198)
my car has a built in tire pressure gauge.

So does mine.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1725826604.jpg

afterburn 549 09-08-2024 02:56 PM

I never ever thought there would be so much inaccuracy in a simple gauge until it happened to me.
Project Farm was pretty informative! (and proof)
As tires and cars get more and more finicky this becomes more and more of a problem.
Now I don't trust my "Joes",
I never ever thought I would say this ...
But I am going to HF to Buy a Merlin, and or somewhere and get Eatenwolf and Jaco!

Thanx for the links!

Dixie 09-08-2024 03:23 PM

I'm still stuck on what car specifics 50psi? Did this get answered?

craigster59 09-08-2024 04:02 PM

I keep one of these in my office at work with a charged battery.

You can pick them up cheap at HD if you already have the battery and charger. I like the Ryobi One stuff for general all around use.

It's saved a few frustrations and flat tires. Can't always depend on gas station air. 3/4 don't work and I'm not swiping my Visa card for air...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1725836535.jpg

Evans, Marv 09-08-2024 04:09 PM

I have a one ton T350 Ford van. It calls for 70 psi rear and 55 front. I usually do 50/55 when it's empty. I also have two tractors that take 20/25 psi. I just ordered the JACO digital (100 psi) from their site in hopes it might get fairly close in both cases. I have several gauges that are all over the place. Time to get rid of a couple.

afterburn 549 09-08-2024 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie (Post 12317237)
I'm still stuck on what car specifics 50psi? Did this get answered?

Motorcycles are very fussy and run 40 and up.
trk tires run over a 100

Dixie 09-08-2024 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 12317274)
Motorcycles are very fussy and run 40 and up.
trk tires run over a 100

Thanks, I didn't know this.

I always rationalized using one gauge that reads consistently is the secret. If it always reads 32 lbs as 30 lbs, so be it.

afterburn 549 09-08-2024 10:24 PM

when one starts to get really fussy, a temp reading gun is used across the treads of a tire.
Hotter in the middle? reduce pressure. Etc

Rusty Heap 09-09-2024 07:12 AM

Getting a GOOD low pressure gauge is critical for ATV or SxS tire pressures, heck even riding lawn mowers too. Typically I run only 8-10 psi or less. Sometimes as low as 3-4 psi. Heck at 10 psi a +/- 2psi is 40% spread range!

masraum 09-09-2024 08:21 AM

I have 3 of these, and they all read the same as each other, and I've compared them to others and found that they seem to be consistent. I have found one or two devices that don't match or read consistently, and that's why I settled on these.

https://images.thdstatic.com/product...60x-4f_600.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie (Post 12317323)
Thanks, I didn't know this.

I always rationalized using one gauge that reads consistently is the secret. If it always reads 32 lbs as 30 lbs, so be it.

Yeah, as long as the reading is consistent and close, you should be good. Presumably, if you're filling to 32, and the vehicle feels off, you'll try 34 or 30, discover that you've fixed the feeling, and then stick with the new reading. So whether the reading of 32 is 32 or 30 or 34, you should be Ok. Obviously, if it's reading 30 when it's 40 or vice versa, that's a big enough discrepancy that you'll be thinking "no way in hell should I be running "xx# of air in these tires" and won't ever get to the "right" reading. I don't think most of us need F1 levels of accuracy.

Another thing to remember, many gauges have a range where they read pretty accurately. For instance, if you are wanting a scale to weigh yourself, the avg scale is probably going to be pretty good from 75# up to 250#. But if you're down at 50#, 25# or less, or up around 300#, then I wouldn't trust the reading much. For most cars, you're likely to want decent readings in the 20-25# up to 50# range. Obviously, for some vehicles, you may need a low pressure gauge (mowers, ATVs, etc...) or a much higher pressure gauge (road bicycles, big trucks, etc...). I wouldn't trust a gauge that was good for truck tires at 100psi also being very good for checking a tire at <10psi.

911 Rod 09-09-2024 09:11 AM

I use my TPMS reader if I want exact. Assuming the monitors are exact.
It's really hard to get each tire the same at 1/10th of a pound though.

masraum 09-09-2024 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 12317555)
I use my TPMS reader if I want exact. Assuming the monitors are exact.
It's really hard to get each tire the same at 1/10th of a pound though.

I've never shot for 0.1# as a threshold. On my car, I shoot to have tires matched within ~0.5#. If I get the pressures matched per my gauge, then my TPMS reads the tires matched side to side and within a pound or two of what I saw on my gauge when I filled them (which of course will vary with ambient and/or tire temp) If I am off by 0.5# when I fill, then my TPMS will often read a 1# difference between the two tires which bugs me, so I'll sync them up. But I have to be careful to not try to sync them when the car is or has been sitting in the sun. I can jump in the car when it's sitting in the sun in the summer and the tires on the side of the car that were facing the sun can read 2-4psi higher than the other side, until I've driven several miles so the temp/pressure can even out.


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