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Rickysa 08-01-2019 07:45 AM

The Secret to Mastering the Handgun
 
Just putting this here for those, like me, that struggle with hand gun accuracy...specifically flinching. I hadn't seen anything training-wise presented on the topic as handled here, but it sure did speak to me.

I played a lot of tournament tennis back in the 70's and remember the book "Inner Tennis", but my young brain wasn't able to process the "zen-ness" of the topic. Maybe my older brain can and thus help me with my shooting. :)

Curious as to any feedback from the successful shooters here SmileWavy


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manbridge 74 08-01-2019 08:00 AM

Just point, do not aim in the traditional sense. It’s like pointing your finger. Sights are only used for competitive shooting. It also helps to have a pistol that is a good fit for your hand.

berettafan 08-01-2019 08:37 AM

I'm not expert but I do NOT agree with the idea of 'freeze the sight picture'. It is precisely what you don't want to do if you want to shoot with any sort of speed.

On the subject of dry firing he's playing games with words and I think the viewer should be clear that he is talking about getting a noob on the paper at 10 yards, not actual mastery which would imply improving from a basic skill level. The best in the world do a LOT of dry firing. I think you have to be very careful with what he is saying.

This was 25 minutes of trying to deal with flinching. He also fails to understand that part of dry firing is working on proper focus. The best shooters are very good at adjusting focus on the fly as target distances change.

If you are flinching drop down in caliber and get a metal framed gun.

The Sig P225A-1 is an awesome and soft shooting 9mm. P226 if you want a full size frame and high capacity magazines.


TLDR - Video does not offer what it claims.

KFC911 08-01-2019 09:03 AM

My baby Ruger LC9S seems almost as snappy as my steel Colt Combat Commander .45ACP, and both are still absolutely tame compared to heavy S&W N frame magnums, .357 and .44s are just fer shock & awe :).

Whatcha shootin'?

KFC911 08-01-2019 09:04 AM

If ya struggle much....

Remimgton 870...00 :)

pwd72s 08-01-2019 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10543518)
If ya struggle much....

Remimgton 870...00 :)

Good point...great at home, but difficult for concealed carry.

ckelly78z 08-01-2019 09:37 AM

Breathing, and timing is everything. Squeeze the trigger, don't pull it, and be in no hurry if you are target practicing....no shame in 10 seconds between shots.

I shoot FAR better with my 9 mm, than my .45ACP, it's a matter of what you are comfortable with.

flipper35 08-01-2019 09:47 AM

Their definition of large caliber and mine are way different.

My kids both learned on single shot .22 rifles and revolvers around 6 years old. Then semi-auto. Our 9 year old absolutely loves shooting the 1911 with the .22 barrel for the last year. Yes, I taught them where the video says to not do that. At 8 years old they could both hit an 8" target at 45'. At nine he still has a hard time with the Texas Star once it starts moving, while the 17 year old daughter has no problem with it. Though she still like shooting the High Standard Double Nine at it instead of the .357 or .45 1911.

If you are trying to get someone that is not an enthusiast into hitting paper at 10', this doesn't seem like a bad program. If you are trying to go beyond basic self defense, this aint it.

glewis80SC 08-01-2019 09:53 AM

https://youtu.be/li0rGtXh23I
A good quick video on the subject, I believe it is similar to racing where it all comes down to seat time shooting comes down to range time and good basic fundamentals. I have been to multi day handgun training that focuses on front site and slow trigger pull the transitioning to speed is difficult as it is a different process. The handgun makes a difference my 1911 shoots very different than my Glock19, I do find myself focusing and trigger control more that site on target.

flipper35 08-01-2019 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 10543543)
Breathing, and timing is everything. Squeeze the trigger, don't pull it, and be in no hurry if you are target practicing....no shame in 10 seconds between shots.

I shoot FAR better with my 9 mm, than my .45ACP, it's a matter of what you are comfortable with.

I do better with the 1911 than any 9mm I have shot, but only because I drop the .22 barrel in for practice cheap. I do best with any revolver because that is what I grew up with and have many thousands of rounds with that platform. Maybe 500 rounds with the .45ACP 1911 and 400 with the .22 1911.

My BiL has a PX4 Storm that shoots real well for me, a close second to the 1911 for semi-auto.

KFC911 08-01-2019 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10543540)
Good point...great at home, but difficult for concealed carry.

That's why NC is an open carry state...just perfect for those who flinch ;)

flatbutt 08-01-2019 10:16 AM

If you are flinching due to anticipation try having an RSO stack a snap-cap or two in your magazine. These will show you how much you are flinching and help cure you of it. They must e placed in the mag stack without you knowing where they are.

glewis80SC 08-01-2019 10:35 AM

https://youtu.be/ChSazF41q-s
Another good one.

PorscheGAL 08-01-2019 10:36 AM

I had an instructor once who would put a penny on the the front sight of unloaded handgun. If you squeeze the trigger the penny stays, jerk and the penny falls.

flipper35 08-01-2019 10:38 AM

You can squeeze fast or slow though.

KFC911 08-01-2019 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PorscheGAL (Post 10543609)
I had an instructor once who would put a penny on the the front sight of unloaded handgun. If you squeeze the trigger the penny stays, jerk and the penny falls.

If I flinch when I know the spoon is empty 'cause it's gotta penny...then I must've lost my good sense....just my .02 :)

I'm just keeding...

Shotgun! ...others in da back seat ;)

Bill Douglas 08-01-2019 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10543563)
I do better with the 1911 than any 9mm


Me too. I find the 9mm a nasty little round that's hard to shoot well. I much prefer my .45ACP in the 1911. A softer, smoother, load.

RWebb 08-01-2019 12:27 PM

the real secret is the transition from a sidearm to hand-to-hand combat

flipper35 08-01-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 10543762)
the real secret is the transition from a sidearm to hand-to-hand combat

If your sidearm combat is good, hopefully you don't have to transition to hand to hand! :D

If you do have to transition, then the large caliber spoons work better as melee weapons. A S&W 500 Magnum will work much better than a Derringer.

RWebb 08-01-2019 12:49 PM

no matter how good the Marine guards at our embassies are (and they are top notch), when they get bum rushed by hundreds or thousands of <insert epithets here for nasty people in foreign countries> they need to go to hand-to-hand

that is why that course is taught to them


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