I cannot speak for much of that article. Fort Pierce is 2 towns north of me, I know the town well. There is a large ghetto area there and it is slowly shrinking. The downtown area used to be a ghost town in the 90's today it has a fantastic green market on Saturdays and a large street festival the first Friday of every month. With live music, vendors etc.. all set up on the main drag through downtown which is closed to traffic.

The small ghetto is just a tiny part of the town, you go out west it is all farm land. Along the coast fishing and great beaches. I used to tow my boat up to Fort Pierce because the water there is pristine. Where I live they dump out Lake Okeechobee (Thanks US Corps of Engineers!!) so our water is all screwed up most of the summer.

I know a gal who moved to Hallendale, I surveyed her house for her. I was enamored by the area. I took my wife back down there another weekend and we explored around it. It was really nice there. I am sure there is probably a bad area, the area we were in appeared to be a Gay area, we saw a lot of gay bars weird stores etc... We even found a cool candy store that had all kinds of vintage candy and candy / snacks from around the world. Next door was a bondage store. :D -- Oops My Bad it was not Hallendale it was Wilton Manors not Hallendale. I am actually heading to a Subaru shop in Hallendale in a couple of weeks.

I do not agree with the article at all, especially from the experiences I have had in some of the cities on that list, some I know well others I have visited numerous times. Likes the parts of Miami they are talking about, the train I take to Miami stops in Overtown (made famous in scarface) Overtown is a pretty nice place now, lots of nice shops and restaurants. Hell the Formula E race I attended was about 4 blocks east of Overtown.

I have “talent”. I did storyboards and design work on something that will be on Netflix in a couple months. Half my income still originates in Hollywood. But I left because L.A. is a death hole full of *******s.

Why should I suffer a twenty year mortgage to live in a non **** area when I could just leave and buy a house outright? I miss the canyon racing and a few cultural things. But otherwise my quality of life improved immensely by leaving.

From my perspective the states with the most population would statistically have more of the cities that rank as the most miserable.


To simplify, if you had two states; one with 50M, the other with 25M; you could expect that out of the 30 worst cities one state might have 20 and the other state might have 10.


What is more surprising is when a low population state scores highly than when a high population state does.

Florida, NY, California, Texas, have populations on a scale that the other states do not.

Never been there, only know about it from what I've read and saw on "the first 48 hours". They've filmed lots of episodes at Overtown.

But at first glance the numbers don't look so good:

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https://www.areavibes.com/miami-fl/overtown/crime/

Central Falls R.I. the armpit of R.I. Bad Place!

BTW according to the wik, TJ has the highest murder rate of all major cities





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Note that all these cities are in the western hemisphere. The wik doesn't say so but maybe that's all the data the author had available.
Grain of salt.

Wow, here's something I wouldn't have expected:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html

We were invited to a wedding in Tulsa OK this past January. My wife happened to look up the crime stats for the city and was worried about our safety.

I looked up the crime stats for West Palm Beach Florida and they were the same as Tulsa. I asked my wife if she felt unsafe in WPB, she said no, so she relaxed.

We went to the wedding, we had not rented a car since we were staying in downtown Tulsa, we walked everywhere, even at 1 in the morning leaving bars. We never felt like we were in a dicey situation. Are there bad areas? I am sure there are we were not in them.

Same goes for West Palm Beach, we go out there from time to time, as a matter of fact the groom of the aforementioned wedding met my wife and I in WPB for dinner and drinks one evening, we were walking around downtown WPB late at night, again, no worries. We were not in the hood.

Miami is the same, as is Fort Pierce, there are nice parts and bad parts, to assume the entire area is all bad is not being genuine. Most every decent size city in this country has bad parts. That does not mean the entire region is bad.

We do a lot of road trips all over the Southeast. Last summer we drove up to Tallahassee Florida. We did not do a lot of research, we picked a hotel we had points with and headed to it. We were so disappointed in the city. We were expecting a sprawling downtown area like Charleston or Savannah, instead it was a spread out mess with no real downtown with everything requiring a car drive to get to. We assumed since it was such an old city it would be laid out more to accommodate walking, we were wrong.

Furthermore, we did not feel safe there walking around at night, we ventured out once, I noted we were being followed we got inside a business fast and hung back and watched. Once I felt we were good to move we bee lined to the hotel and never did that again. We stuck to adventuring during the daytime. I will never return there.

The only other city I have been in that made me feel that way was NYC, but I know NYC I grew up there, I noticed a road we were walking on from our hotel was pretty shady, I adjusted our route 2 streets over and it was much safer with a lot of people around.

Point is, many cities have good and bad, focus on the bad and you spend you life sitting in your house scared of the world. I prefer to get out and explore.

A couple of years ago Myrtle Beach wuz the worst city fer crime on some bs story...stats :(.
I won't go there anymore 'cause some drunk college girlz are gonna attack me...if'n I do...yep!

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Everyone has their own level of tolerance and comfort with different surroundings.
Yours is obviously different than mine.

Reminds me of threads we've had in OT discussing how dangerous Mexico had gotten.
Some folks say no way, never going there again.
Others argued that it is fine, a great place, and that the statistics are all wrong.
To each his own.
Heck, I won't even go to Los Angeles unless I absolutely have to.

Hey, maybe they are on to something here .......

Hence the reasons not to have rent control, Section 8 housing, etc. Its an expensive place to live and Denis is exactly right, if you don't have the resources, talent, skill set, you should live where you can afford to live independently.

Yes but Denis didn't mean it that way....he was being a smug elitist again.

Correct

and yet you say
Seems like you are a little quick to find a fight about something on the internet. Now what was that definition of a troll? :rolleyes:

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Wait, are you saying its not a s h i t h o l e, or its not pretty landscape? lol

Not pretty anything. The mountains are mountains of trash. It’s one big landfill.