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Paul_Heery 01-08-2020 03:23 AM

The case for a new Porsche 914 EV
 
For discussion, this opinion piece was in the latest PCA newsletter. I'd like to see this happen.

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Tuesday, January 7, 2020
Article by Rob Sass
Image by Lars Sältzer

Ed.: This column appears in the January 2019 issue of Porsche Panorama as the Editor's Note.

I’ve mentioned in this column before, although I’m a fan of Porsche’s past entry-level efforts from the 912, 914, and 924 to the original 986 Boxster, I’ve accepted Porsche’s explanation as to why it no longer feels the need to play in that sandbox. Ironically though, my first drive in the decidedly non-entry-level $150K plus Taycan Turbo has irrevocably changed my point of view on Porsche’s low-end strategy. Porsche desperately needs a new 914, and it needs to be electric.

Particularly among younger brand devotees, the existence of the Taycan, and what it represents, is going to cause an aspirational sea change — electricity is going to become the perceived gold-standard in performance. It’s already been noted by others that a Taycan Turbo S is faster in many situations than a McLaren 570S. How long will it be before people take note of the fact that a Taycan Turbo can hang with a GT3? No longer will Porsche’s current entry-level solution, a five-to-ten-year-old combustion-only Boxster or Cayman, suffice for someone in the 25-to-40 demographic. And since it will likely be 10 to 15 years or more before any Taycan depreciates sufficiently to become affordable for younger people, Porsche is in danger of losing an entire generation.

The solution is an affordable, electric roadster, and not simply an electrified 718. The car needs to be simpler, more elemental, and, frankly, smaller than that, something that perhaps splits the difference between Tesla’s original Lotus Elise-based Roadster and the 718, perhaps like VW’s Bluesport concept from 2009. With no need for a large fuel tank or engine, radiators, etc., even more of the practicality of the original 914 could be part of the package, with two massive trunks.

The fun-to-drive equation would be simply off-the-charts. While the existence of a large, heavy battery pack makes an Elise-like sub-2,000-pound weight a fantasy, certainly coming close to the aforementioned VW Bluesport concept’s sub-2,900 pounds isn’t crazy talk. With an almost impossibly low center of gravity and small physical dimensions, the handling and point-and-shoot abilities of a modern-day electric 914 would be impressive. The car would do to autocross what the 917/30 did to Can-Am racing. An autocross-focused, grassroots-level guerilla marketing campaign would be more than just amusing — has anyone taken note of the number of views that Tesla drag strip takedown videos get? Watching an electric Porsche roadster clobbering Corvettes at autocrosses all over the country would be sweet indeed, particularly if they can figure out how to make an EV sports car that’s actually visceral and angry, rather than über slick like the Taycan — think electric Alfa Romeo 4C.

And then there’s Formula E. Given Porsche’s big investment in it, and the demographic of Formula E fans, doesn’t it seem downright strange that the company has nothing to offer them besides a nice poster of a six-figure electric four-door?

A 914/E obviously wouldn’t be a 911 killer, but an Elise-like 0-60 time of well under five seconds, and a range of 150 to 180 miles would seem like fairly easy marks, and would make the car more than attractive enough for most two-seater buyers, which sort of gets to the last part of the puzzle: Do two-seater buyers exist in sufficient numbers for something like this to be profitable? Beats the hell out of me. Two-seater sales aren’t exactly robust these days. As brilliant as the 718 and new Mazda Miata are, they’re still fairly rare sights on the road. But Porsche has always played by a different set of rules, and a fantastic-looking, Porsche-badged, affordable electric roadster might actually create a new segment of truly lust-worthy, well-packaged, small EVs. And it might just be a timelier move than anyone realizes, particularly if the predicted Gen Z backlash against SUVs (in which Porsche is heavily invested) materializes. In any event, I think that you can make a case for the car that goes beyond typical P&L concerns. Hell, GM is allegedly losing money on every Corvette C8 that sells below $80,000, but the statement that the car makes is an important one.

I actually kind of like the 914/E moniker. I wouldn’t even mind if it were a VW collaboration again, branded as a VW-Porsche like the original car was in Europe, although I’d probably get the financial details in writing this time around. I’ll allow that this all might seem a touch heretical, given the fact that it likely runs 180 degrees from every brand strategy PowerPoint in existence at Porsche AG. No matter. I think it’s the right thing to do. It’s at least worth teasing as a concept. Executed the way Porsche typically does things, I think it would cause a sensation the likes of which Porsche hasn’t seen since original Grant Larson Boxster concept, and I think the cries of “build it” would be heard at a distinctly non-EV volume.

LEAKYSEALS951 01-08-2020 04:09 AM

Needs pop up headlights.

svandamme 01-08-2020 04:15 AM

it would make more sense then that huge Taycan thing
smaller, needs less powerful motors , uses less juice
needs less batteries for same distance etc etc etc

popup headlights will never happen due to new pedestrian impact regs

I like that PCA design example
Tho I doubt it could be made to that size in the real world with current regs.

LEAKYSEALS951 01-08-2020 04:24 AM

Pedestrian impact regs? Well, then-

It needs pop up headlights with adamantium knife blades coming out the top.

svandamme 01-08-2020 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951 (Post 10712272)
Pedestrian impact regs? Well, then-

It needs pop up headlights with adamantium knife blades coming out the top.

don't hold back !

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unclebilly 01-08-2020 06:08 AM

If it had a 200 mile range, I would buy it.

island911 01-08-2020 08:08 AM

Nice styling/update.

How about one with a gas engine? -- so it can be light /not battery laden.

People spending the premium to buy electric (virtue-signal /make a political statement) are not going to opt for the cheap version unless it is heavily subsidized.

island911 01-08-2020 08:10 AM

I will add that lots of people in Arizona drive 'golf cars' to the grocery store and such.

Would this be competition to those?

wdfifteen 01-08-2020 08:37 AM

A car like that could be a lot of fun. I can’t see Porsche doing it though. Porsche has an image of making up-market cars. They shouldn’t confuse people with a “people’s car.” Let VW build it.

wdfifteen 01-08-2020 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10712464)
I will add that lots of people in Arizona drive 'golf cars' to the grocery store and such.

They’re just virtue signaling, don’t pay any attention to them. :D

pmax 01-08-2020 03:31 PM

A low range commuter won't find many buyers at the Porsche pricing level.

The electrics are heavy full-sized bricks of metal for a reason.

jyl 01-08-2020 03:49 PM

I have been trying to talk a local Pelican into converting something into EV.

Like an Opel GT, MR2, 914, etc.

300 ftlb torque from 0 rpm in a Saab Sonnet. Sounds fun, no?

Sooner or later 01-08-2020 04:05 PM

Porsche, electric, inexpensive?

wdfifteen 01-08-2020 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 10712937)
I have been trying to talk a local Pelican into converting something into EV.

Like an Opel GT, MR2, 914, etc.

300 ftlb torque from 0 rpm in a Saab Sonnet. Sounds fun, no?

My Volt is a hoot at 295 lbft and 3500 lbs. Get rid of the back seat, the ICE, gas tank, the complex transmission, and add in another battery pack (495 lbs) for range and it would be a fun little sports car.

Black968 01-08-2020 05:31 PM

I like it. Unfortunately to many cars in the stable. My next ride....



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Shaun @ Tru6 01-08-2020 06:30 PM

Other than being a design disaster with 5 areas having different dimensions/scales all glued together to make a high school study hall dream car, driving by any given Porsche dealership parking lot with an ocean of SUVs tells me this car
Will just never happen.

Black968 01-08-2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10713128)
Other than being a design disaster with 5 areas having different dimensions/scales all glued together to make a high school study hall dream car, driving by any given Porsche dealership parking lot with an ocean of SUVs tells me this car
Will just never happen.


Is Atlantic Motorsports still operating in Ayer? Bought a car from them a few years back, was a very cool shop.

Vw will be releasing 5 all electric vehicles in 2022. ID Buzz/Bus is slated for then, hopefully we get in in NA.

sc_rufctr 01-08-2020 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul_Heery (Post 10712255)
For discussion, this opinion piece was in the latest PCA newsletter. I'd like to see this happen.

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I really like this! But would I own one? I'm almost 55 and I can't see myself driving around in something like this.
Tesla S for me and my ancient SC for the occasional weekend blast. :)

For EVs to be successful we need some more fun versions.

WPOZZZ 01-09-2020 01:19 AM

That thing is ugly.

svandamme 01-09-2020 04:20 AM

that black old 914 bumper has to go


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