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vash 06-09-2020 02:58 PM

knots.
 
my fishing hobby has me looking at knots.

my oldtime go-to knot was the clinch knot, which is now not even a thing!! its a ***** to tie with aging eyes.

my new knot is the Palomar. and the Arbor knot for tying line to a reel.

clinch knot is the Blockbuster video of knots.

Scott Douglas 06-09-2020 03:16 PM

I once saw a longshoreman tie a bowline knot in a 3 inch diameter line. One handed. While holding a cup of coffee.

KFC911 06-09-2020 03:17 PM

I didn't know what it was called, but I've been using a Palomar knot for decades. It's hard to get the double line through on smaller hooks, so I thread the hook eye with a single line, then go back through the eye again forming the double line.

pwd72s 06-09-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 10898484)
I once saw a longshoreman tie a bowline knot in a 3 inch diameter line. One handed. While holding a cup of coffee.

People always around sail boats amaze me sometimes. Remember well one time aboard a friend's boat in the Caribbean. We pulled up to the water dock, I tossed a line to the kid working there. Stan started to instruct the kid on how to cleat...kid gave Stan a disgusted look, and still standing, cleated it one handed and perfectly.

mattdavis11 06-09-2020 03:46 PM

You have to get the knot around the knott.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/50/e9/78/5...w-the-knot.jpg

RWebb 06-09-2020 03:46 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot_theory

JJ 911SC 06-09-2020 03:54 PM

Like we use to say in the Navy;

Two kinds of Knots: Maybe it going to hold, May be "not"...

masraum 06-09-2020 05:42 PM

This is a fantastic site.
https://www.animatedknots.com/

And if I remember correctly from when I got into knots several years back (I was a boyscout, so it was fun to refresh), the Ashley book of knots is THE knot book of all knot books.
https://archive.org/details/TheAshleyBookOfKnots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ashley_Book_of_Knots
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The Ashley Book of Knots is an encyclopedia of knots written and illustrated by the American artist Clifford W. Ashley. First published in 1944, it was the culmination of over 11 years of work. The book contains exactly 3854 numbered entries and an estimated 7000 illustrations.[1] The entries include knot instructions, uses, and some histories, categorized by type or function. It remains one of the most important and comprehensive books on knots.

wdfifteen 06-09-2020 05:43 PM

I’ve always been terrible with knots. The only one I can do in my sleep is a trucker’s hitch. I use it all the time.
The Ashley book is great.

john70t 06-09-2020 06:14 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1591751689.jpg

Scott Douglas 06-09-2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10898512)
People always around sail boats amaze me sometimes. Remember well one time aboard a friend's boat in the Caribbean. We pulled up to the water dock, I tossed a line to the kid working there. Stan started to instruct the kid on how to cleat...kid gave Stan a disgusted look, and still standing, cleated it one handed and perfectly.

We weren't on a sailboat. We had just taken a 'ship' out of the mothball fleet up near the north bay in San Francisco. I can't remember what kind it was, but it was a lot bigger than the privately owned ex-Coast Guard cutter that was being used as a tug boat. We were docking pretty much under the bridge of the freeway that goes over to Treasure Island. I do remember that it was winter time and it was cold, damp, and oh yeah, did I say it was cold?
Had quite the experience of exploring that 'ship' since it was dark as it had no on-board power.

vash 06-09-2020 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 10898717)
We weren't on a sailboat. We had just taken a 'ship' out of the mothball fleet up near the north bay in San Francisco. I can't remember what kind it was, but it was a lot bigger than the privately owned ex-Coast Guard cutter that was being used as a tug boat. We were docking pretty much under the bridge of the freeway that goes over to Treasure Island. I do remember that it was winter time and it was cold, damp, and oh yeah, did I say it was cold?
Had quite the experience of exploring that 'ship' since it was dark as it had no on-board power.

That would be the San Francisco Bay bridge. Great story!

craigster59 06-09-2020 08:45 PM

I use mostly the improved cinch. Pass through the eye, spin a few times and run tag end thru the loop twice.

The Palomar, have you ever tried threading the double line through the eye of a #18 dry fly? Good luck at my age and eyes.

porsche4life 06-09-2020 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 10898841)
I use mostly the improved cinch. Pass through the eye, spin a few times and run tag end thru the loop twice.

The Palomar, have you ever tried threading the double line through the eye of a #18 dry fly? Good luck at my age and eyes.

Between the eyes and the hands usually being cold from cold trout waters I’m going with the easiest thing to tie.

I lose way more tackle to line breaks in a snag than it coming untied.

KFC911 06-10-2020 03:32 AM

When yer fishin'....any knot is a good knot imo. Sometimes the fish win....and knot you :D

white85carrera 06-10-2020 05:33 AM

Got this from my mom when her BF passed away. Was not a huge fan of the dude, but I sure appreciate his Ashley Book of Knots. 600+pages of knots and I don't have to pause a video every 5 seconds to learn a knot. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1591792259.jpg

masraum 06-10-2020 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by white85carrera (Post 10899073)
Got this from my mom when her BF passed away. Was not a huge fan of the dude, but I sure appreciate his Ashley Book of Knots. 600+pages of knots and I don't have to pause a video every 5 seconds to learn a knot. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1591792259.jpg

Nice! That's a score.

KFC911 06-10-2020 01:40 PM

I use a bowline a lot....but why ain't it pronounced

Bow line :D

Did it originate in a bowlin' alley?

rnln 06-10-2020 01:46 PM

for fishing, I like to knot it as a loop for everything, from hook to weight etc, so it can be easily taken off when I am done and the line is not easily break. left page, middle pic second roll

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Originally Posted by white85carrera (Post 10899073)
Got this from my mom when her BF passed away. Was not a huge fan of the dude, but I sure appreciate his Ashley Book of Knots. 600+pages of knots and I don't have to pause a video every 5 seconds to learn a knot. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1591792259.jpg


cabmandone 06-10-2020 05:39 PM

Fliggin Flaggin fishin knots piss me off! Just give me a damn knot that keeps the hook on the end of the line and let me go fishin! My nephew knows no less than 100 different knots for tying a hook onto a line... I swear!

Double the line... run it through the eyelet... Twist the line but leave a loop big enough to run the hook through then pull it tight. Or some sort of nonsense like that. Like I said pisses me off.

911 Rod 06-11-2020 09:11 AM

I pretty much only use the Palomar knot for fishing. Never fold it over. Always go through twice. Why would you put yourself through that frustration?
It blows me away the amount of boaters that don't know how to use a cleat.

BK911 06-11-2020 09:43 AM

I use a square knot for pretty much EVERYTHING!
Hasnt let me down yet.

KFC911 06-11-2020 10:19 AM

I'll use a square knot for tying two ropes/lines together, but how do you use it on a single rope?

Boat cleats.... do you leave the excess rope curled up in a circle.... or just laying in a mess of rope? Sometimes I'm downright yachty :D

BK911 06-11-2020 10:41 AM

Not sure how to really explain it, but I will try:

When tying two ropes together, you use one end of each rope.
When tying one rope, you use both ends of the same rope.
Even if I need a tightening knot, tie the square knot so it has a little loop on one end, then pull the free end through the loop.
I am sure there are better ways, but its worked for me so far.

masraum 06-13-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 10901104)
I'll use a square knot for tying two ropes/lines together, but how do you use it on a single rope?

Boat cleats.... do you leave the excess rope curled up in a circle.... or just laying in a mess of rope? Sometimes I'm downright yachty :D

Here's a square knot creating a loop in the middle of a length of rope.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/40...312a745146.jpg

RKDinOKC 06-13-2020 04:22 PM

To tie to something use clove hitch.
https://www.animatedknots.com/photos...cloveendR6.jpg

If a line that needs to be able tighten the line holding something the taut line hitch.
https://www.netknots.com/download_file/533/0

Learned both in Boy Scouts.

notmytarga 06-13-2020 04:42 PM

It took about 40 min to follow a YouTube video and make this fob to ring the old family dinner bell. The bell was pulled from their riverside house before the new owners flattened the house for a McMansion. I spruced it up by cleaning, painting and shining the brass eagle. It now hangs on my parent's porch at the retirement place. The ratty shoelace didn't cut it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1592091137.jpg

KFC911 06-14-2020 03:27 AM

^^^ You rock :)! The square knot "loop" above is cool too....

I'm betting I never use these two either :D....

masraum 06-14-2020 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by notmytarga (Post 10904238)
It took about 40 min to follow a YouTube video and make this fob to ring the old family dinner bell. The bell was pulled from their riverside house before the new owners flattened the house for a McMansion. I spruced it up by cleaning, painting and shining the brass eagle. It now hangs on my parent's porch at the retirement place. The ratty shoelace didn't cut it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1592091137.jpg

I made something similar that my wife now uses as a keychain fob.

KFC911 06-14-2020 04:08 PM

One of my uncles (passed decades ago) used to call me knothead. I never knew what he meant tho' ... and I've been called worse :D

Rinty 06-14-2020 04:30 PM

I remember my late wife, many years ago, practising tying surgical knots on the arm of a chesterfield.

She was an ophthalmologist and you could barely see some of the thread she worked with.


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