Vaccine efficacy?

[pwd72s]

Watching the five on fox. Greg Gutfeld made the comment that the 1st shot has 87% efficacy, then the 2nd bring it up to 94%. He didn't say which vaccine. So, Cindy & I have both had shot #1. #2 slated for the 29th. Moderna is what we got.

So, medical experts here...and with me believing that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot...was Greg pulling stats out of his donkey, or was he even close?

We got our first shots on Monday the 1st.

opinions welcomed.

[LWJ]

Those numbers reflect what I have read.

I still am puzzled about the J&J which is in the 60% range. Vs. just one shot of Moderna / Pfizer being a higher protection? Didn't really make sense to me.

[Sooner or later]

Those numbers are probably pretty close. It is not known if the 2nd shot gives a significantly longer response. Get the specified 2nd shot until more is known and recommendations are made.

The J&J trial was still going on when the variants were starting to spread. The Moderna and Pfizer trials were complete before the variants took hold. Understandable why the one shot J&J would show lower effectiveness compared to the one/two shot Pfizer/Moderna.

[Skillet83]

So are you going to keep taking a jab every time a new variant comes up like the flu shot each year where they guess? I have no problem with those at risk or anyone wanting to take the jab, still early in the game. Gonna wait and see.

[red-beard]

Numbers are correct or in the ballpark.

While the J&J is not as effective as Moderna and Pfizer at totally preventing the virus. J&J is nearly 100% at preventing hospitalization and death. Which is why the Public Heath people are all in for J&J.

J&J is cheaper and easier to make. And you only need 1 shot. They think with the addition of J&J, we should have everyone who wants the vaccine, vaccinated, by mid-year.

[flatbutt]

I'm not sure the additional 7 points is worth the reaction the 2nd shot.

[Mahler9th]

You can read all of the factual efficacy details from each study on-line. The manufacturers and the government have to provide these details as required by federal laws.

No need to guess or ask in Forums like these.

Remember, the numbers are reported based on the data collected in actual trials. The trial designs are also a matter of public record. Look carefully at the definitions of terms with respect to efficacy.

Of course as pointed out here by Sooner or later, virus variants were likely a "moving target" in the trials conducted thus far. So say there were just six (6) infections leading to six serious illnesses amongst 100 people that had a vaccine. There is likely no way to know from the trial whether all six (6) infections were from a particular strain or strains. You can find out for sure by reading the protocols, but I doubt any or many of them included identifying the virus strain that infected any particular individual.

In any case, I suggest accessing the information directly from the sources. They are legally required to report the details. No reason to guess or speculate.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I'm not sure the additional 7 points is worth the reaction the 2nd shot.

I expect the real thing the second shot does is increase the amount of antibodies, which should help with longevity.

[red-beard]

Mike,

The "good news" about slowing the spread is it will also slow the mutations. I expect we will need a yearly "update" just like the flu vaccine. I'm already on the list for the Moderna update.

[ckelly78z]

I'm not concerned with how effective it is, I won't be getting it. Before 20% of the public has gotten the shot, they are already talking about the next possible round to deal with new variants/strains of the virus.

Call it luck, or diligence, but I haven't had any problems yet (55 with multiple co-morbidities) even though I have been at the office every day since last June, and still walk into stores that I need something from. I do take a Vit D gelcap, but no other supplements.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

I'm not concerned with how effective it is, I won't be getting it.

Good luck with your choice.

I don't get it. If you bought a cell phone wouldn't you get a protective cover for it?

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Good luck with your choice.

I don't get it. If you bought a cell phone wouldn't you get a protective cover for it?

Is it faster to travel by day or by train?

An equally relevant question.

[1990C4S]

The efficacy of a single dose is high enough that many countries are considering pushing the second dose out to four months to allow more people to be vaccinated.

Assuming the second dose is available at the recommended interval it would be silly to not get it at that time.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Is it faster to travel by day or by train?

An equally relevant question.

That's like, your opinion, man and it's all good. Just my view and I ain't hatin'.

[billybek]

AstraZeneca vaccine is being released in Alberta for those under 65.
It may be a wait before the other vaccines are available and I am considering the AstraZenica.
It's efficacy is 60-70% but is reported to reduce hospitalization and death by 80%.
Having (usually) mild asthma symptoms I am ready to jump on the first vaccine offered and it looks like this is it. I also work in education and do in person labs.
As mentioned, it's efficacy is reported to increase to 80% if the second dose is pushed back to 16 weeks.

[Chocaholic]

I calls em like I sees em.

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Good luck with your choice.

I don't get it. If you bought a cell phone wouldn't you get a protective cover for it?

Maybe if they made a vaccine that lasted as long as my cell phone protective cover, and not just a matter of months.

So you have committed yourself to getting each new variant shot as well, regardless of any effects ?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

Maybe if they made a vaccine that lasted as long as my cell phone protective cover, and not just a matter of months.

So you have committed yourself to getting each new variant shot as well, regardless of any effects ?

So much misinformation, so little time...

[David]

Speaking of covid, anyone catch the 60 minutes story on sunday about Fluvoxamine?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-repurposed-drugs-60-minutes-2021-03-07/

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Single shot, Johnson & Johnson = 100% not dying.
What else matters???