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Por_sha911 06-10-2021 06:36 PM

Another harmless dog suffering prejudice from people
 
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A 3-year-old New Jersey boy was mauled to death by his family's dogs after falling from a window in his home and landing in a backyard Wednesday evening, authorities said.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-mauled-dogs-fall

These lovable dogs are just misunderstood. Never mind that statistically more people are mauled and killed by Pit Bulls than any other breed.

ramonesfreak 06-11-2021 03:58 AM

my sister’s rescue pit bull nearly took her hand off requiring an ambulance trip to the ER. she still snuggles in bed with it. the dog looks like a rabid hungry tiger. it is generally a sweet dog, but unpredictable to say the least and powerful

Nostril Cheese 06-11-2021 04:11 AM

Its all how the dog is trained.

Training a dog well takes time, energy and love. Its damn WORK.

Its the typical meathead owner who clips ears, docks tails and tries to make the dog "tough".

berettafan 06-11-2021 04:21 AM

Most breeds require zero training to not eat children.

Genetics comes well before training.

URY914 06-11-2021 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11359079)
most breeds require zero training to not eat children.

Genetics comes well before training.

lol

tdw28210 06-11-2021 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 11359071)
Its all how the dog is trained.

Training a dog well takes time, energy and love. Its damn WORK.

Its the typical meathead owner who clips ears, docks tails and tries to make the dog "tough".

It's not ALL of it, but it's definitely part of it. Meatheads are attracted to the breed for sure, but so are gullible rubes who believe all the feel-goodery BS and deny nature. The breed has an innate tendency to attack unexpectedly. Just like an Aussie Shepherd has an innate desire to "herd" things. When either meatheads or gullible rubes own the breed, bad things are going to happen. Training can exert control of the breed's innate desires, but it doesn't eliminate them. They will always be there.

Crowbob 06-11-2021 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11359079)
Most breeds require zero training to not eat children.

Genetics comes well before training.

Pits should be banned.

At minimum, the owners should be licensed.

berettafan 06-11-2021 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tdw28210 (Post 11359082)
The breed has an innate tendency to attack unexpectedly. Just like an Aussie Shepherd has an innate desire to "herd" things. When either meatheads or gullible rubes own the breed, bad things are going to happen. Training can exert control of the breed's innate desires, but it doesn't eliminate them. They will always be there.


So true. Our dog's breeder has a slogan- 'It's not luck, it's genetics'.

We train in an effort to bend those genetically programmed habits to our benefit/will but no honest breeder would suggest you can do away with those genetic predispositions altogether. They would tell you to find a different breed if you don't like what the dog is bred to do.

sc_rufctr 06-11-2021 05:09 AM

All domestic dogs have been bred by us for a task or roll... What task were Pit Bulls bred for? :(

URY914 06-11-2021 05:10 AM

You never seem to see pits as service dogs for some reason....

Baz 06-11-2021 05:27 AM

Just like cops....most are good. But when one is bad - it hits the news.

Funny how that works.......





And how about some focus on the humans who encourage misbehavior by dogs. Including this breed. Do you not acknowledge they are more of the problem here?



Dog's fault here? Or the human's fault?

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Right - human probably should not own a dog at all - let alone a larger breed like this one. She's an idiot.

URY914 06-11-2021 05:32 AM

^^^When the dog is stronger and heavier than the person walking them, there could be a problem.

ramonesfreak 06-11-2021 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11359114)
So true. Our dog's breeder has a slogan- 'It's not luck, it's genetics'.

We train in an effort to bend those genetically programmed habits to our benefit/will but no honest breeder would suggest you can do away with those genetic predispositions altogether. They would tell you to find a different breed if you don't like what the dog is bred to do.

I spent many hundreds of dollars with a trainer trying to get our mini schnauzer to stop barking at neighbors and their dogs. Ive continued to try to train him myself consistently every day

It is impossible to get him to stop. His instincts to be a watch dog are far stronger than anything I could do without the help of a Jedi

I could perhaps use hot dogs or something similar to try to get him to stop and this is indeed what many trainers suggest. However, I am not going to give my dog pancreatitis in an effort to get him to do what I want....and so, up goes the privacy fence

Baz 06-11-2021 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ramonesfreak (Post 11359159)
I spent many hundreds of dollars with a trainer trying to get our mini schnauzer to stop barking at neighbors and their dogs. Ive continued to try to train him myself consistently every day

It is impossible to get him to stop. His instincts to be a watch dog are far stronger than anything I could do without the help of a Jedi

I could perhaps use hot dogs or something similar to try to get him to stop and this is indeed what many trainers suggest. However, I am not going to give my dog pancreatitis in an effort to get him to do what I want....and so, up goes the privacy fence

FWIW, there are some devices that are designed to discourage a dog from barking. Look on Amazon. Some of these might work - I don't know. Just sharing the info.

That said - a privacy fence is a nice thing to have - with or without a barking dog problem. :)

Baz 06-11-2021 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11359144)
^^^When the dog is stronger and heavier than the person walking them, there could be a problem.

Yes - plus she had the wrong kind of collar. Should have been a harness.

People who obtain a dog as an accessory is the problem. They don't invest in the partnership. Those people shouldn't own a dog - let alone a breed like a Pit.

Baz 06-11-2021 06:14 AM

While I'm on my soap box.... :D - most of the issues come from poor parenting. When you are young - it's the parent's job to teach you about responsibilities. Chief amongst these is to value and respect all other living things. Children learn responsibility of pet ownership by parents who put in "the time" and are not lazy.

Lazy parenting causes us so much grief in our society. My goodness.......this subject needs to be emphasized EVERY time there's a news story involving injury or death by human. It's so important but no one really talks about it, it seems.

ramonesfreak 06-11-2021 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11359175)
FWIW, there are some devices that are designed to discourage a dog from barking. Look on Amazon. Some of these might work - I don't know. Just sharing the info.

That said - a privacy fence is a nice thing to have - with or without a barking dog problem. :)

Tried those types of devices...problem is, not only does my barking dog not care, but if he is barking at another dog, im not comfortable using whistles and buzzer things which also effect the other dog and i would never use any sorta of shock collar thing

i love mini schnauzers but, probably never again for me. its too much all the time. I cant even reach for my slippers or a sweatshirt without him thinking that it means we are going out to chase squirrels, or bark. his eyes are constantly on me and my every move

our pingenes we found half dead living outside in the snow is the most delightful, chill dog i have ever come across. she is very content just snoring away at my feet



im way too old and grumpy to deal high strung dogs any more

Fast Freddy 944 06-11-2021 07:50 AM

This story reminds me of how people "humanize" predatory critters and become their meal. I have buddy's call me up and tell me how safe certain dogs are and how bad ass they are at protecting the house and home. I always think to my self, so is a 9mm. I hear about "trained" dogs ripping their owners to bits and I just shake my head. One self explainatory predator story happened at a Sea World around these parts, when the broad that trained a "killer whale"s had her skull ripped off by said whale during a show. I thought to my self, " What the foque part of "Killer" whale dont you clowns under stand. Its a predator, I will eat you for a snack, you aint friggen Grizzly Adams. Chimp rips off a womans face, man has a zillion Komodo Dragons in an apt, WTF? found chewed up in his lounge chair, lion eats trainer. I wonder when common sense will set in, or are all fools doomed to me a meal or a snack?

gregpark 06-11-2021 08:05 AM

These are the countries that ban or have extremely strict laws concerning pit bulls
Argentina
Parts of Australia
Parts of Austria
Bavaria
Belarus
Parts of Belgium
Bermuda
Parts of Brazil
Parts of China
Parts of Canada
Denmark
Ecuador
Finland
France
Germany – Pit bull type dogs are banned in 15/16 German provinces.
Guyana
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Parts of Japan
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Malaysia
Malta
New Zealand – Not only are pit bulls banned, but pit bulls and other breeds deemed “menacing” by the Government are not considered for adoption and are euthanised as a matter of course.
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Romania
Russia
Singapore
Spain
Switzerland
Turkey
The UEA
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Venezuela

No countries except Canada and the US allow the importation of pit bull type dogs.
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there are many US cities and I believe some 10 states that ban too. I recall Denver and Miami being on the list

Every pit bull I've known personally has been the sweetest dog but they have the capability of killing a human or ripping a kid's face off. And well trained, perfectly behaved pits have been known to brain snap and even attack their own owners. Something in their DNA

Rodsrsr 06-11-2021 08:12 AM

I have two friends who recently adopted 12 week old puppies. One is a Pit and the other is a German Shepard. The Shepard is a normal happy playful puppy. The Pit is playful as well, but shows aggression when over stimulated. It's in the breed.


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