Like I said, HCQ alone is not sufficient, but part of the solution when used in combination with other drugs.

Listen to an expert on the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU02mdnoNws

A quick history.

Back in the olden days, 70's and 80's, the vaccine manufacturers were being buried in lawsuits over side effects. We know that any vaccine can have it's own series of problems, from minor to serious, though the risk of the vaccines were much smaller then the risk from the disease.

The drug manufacturers said screw it. Isnt worth our effort to develop, test, and distribute the vaccines and then fight multiple lawsuits so they slowed development. It was either that or expect far higher vaccine costs to cover the explosion in lawsuits. The government stepped in and passed the law limiting liability over those side effects to keep the drug manufacturers in vaccine development. The government also put together the payout systems. Though their effectiveness is questionable, at best.

The covid vaccine, currently under an EUA, was given the same vaccine protection under the PREP Act as the fully authorized vaccines.

(1) Which vaccine? AFIK only one is an actual vaccine and the rest mRNA modifiers.
(2) Approved by the FDA, or "authorized" whatever that means?

(You confirmed the government is accepting all liability. Thank you.)

Vaccine Types
There are several different types of vaccines. Each type is designed to teach your immune system how to fight off certain kinds of germs—and the serious diseases they cause.

When scientists create vaccines, they consider:

How your immune system responds to the germ
Who needs to be vaccinated against the germ
The best technology or approach to create the vaccine
Based on a number of these factors, scientists decide which type of vaccine they will make. There are several types of vaccines, including:

Inactivated vaccines
Live-attenuated vaccines
Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines
Subunit, recombinant, polysaccharide, and conjugate vaccines
Toxoid vaccines
Viral vector vaccines

https://www.hhs.gov/immunization/basics/types/index.html

And that is where the article and the medical system, however vast and authoritative, go very wrong.
mRNA is not a "vaccine".

In the traditional sense a vaccine is an inert form of an agent presented to the bodies immune system so that it might develop it's own response to a foreign cell.
The body creates it's own response. That is the important part. It is a natural process of being taught..

In mRNA, the cells of the body are forcibly penetrated and the genetic code structure changed by invasion through a foreign process. That is the same way a virus or other disease attacks and kills cells. This actually changes the identity of the original cell itself. Change into what, no one is still sure of because they are all still considered experimental (you didn't answer the question so I did).

One only has to look back at the Thalidomide trials to find out what genetic experimentation can lead to.
There are already many reports of deaths, illness, Tay-Sachs sterility, and other complications from the vaccines. Pregnancies and SIDS will be another issue.
Modern children already have half the sperm count, mental changes, and substantially greater autism probably from plastics.

How will the statistics turn out? Who will pick up the tab? What changes will arise with the next generation? We don't know, because they are still experimental.

An analogy can be made with plants:
Herbicides might be applied to the outside, some plants might die, but most adapt and build up a resistance. The herbicide washes off afterwards. All is good and natural.
But in the case of Roundup the plants become a GMO because it's own cells are engineered to absorb glyophophates and store them internally.
The plant itself becomes part herbicide. Which we then eat.

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The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using the mRNA delivery system.

The Novavax vaccine is a subunit vaccine that is in widespread use in a Hepatitis B vaccine . Even though the delivery method has been in use for years the Novavax vaccine will be considered as experimental if granted EUA.

There have been past EUA use approvals. Tamiflu for infant use for H1N1. Other EUA have been granted for anthrax, ebola, enterovirus, H7N9 influenza, and Middle East respiratory syndrome medications or devices.

Once the Modena, Pfizer, Novavax vaccines are given full authorization (biologics license) none will be considered experimental.

you think a cardiologist is an expert on THIS topic?

A detail, but an important one. MRNA is not a delivery system. Describing it as such is either your misunderstanding or your attempt to mislead. Rather it is a man-made genetic code that delivers nothing other than itself. Once taken into the cell it causes the production of an unnatural (not naturally produced) protein.

But alas, you are the expert. :rolleyes:

System

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744276/

Another important category of mRNA delivery system...

From your article…

Vaccines based on mRNA and DNA focus on the ways to deliver genetic materials encoding antigen candidates into the host cells.

He has been treating more COVID patients than Fauci ever will, so yes, he is an expert, a real one who practices what he talks about.

Better?

"The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using mRNA or the mRNA delivery system."

What would it mean if I said:

"Gasoline delivery syatem. "

It would mean you don’t understand the subject matter.

Think for a minute. What exactly is the mRNA delivering? Based on your example...the delivery system would be the syringe.

Still confused?

Gasoline delivery system.
What exactly is gasoline delivering?

Gasoline or mRNA are not delivering anything.

And yet here you are, referring to the mRNA delivery system. :rolleyes:

Perhaps it’s Saturday evening or I just don’t suffer fools very well at my age.

Isn't the mRNA what is delivered? It's the instructions for the cell to create the spike protein.

Exactly. Please explain that to our expert.

He's not the only one to refer to it as the mRNA delivery system
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744276/

I suppose that technically it's the lipid delivery system but you can find others who refer to it as the mRNA vaccine delivery system.

Are you suggesting that several morons are more credible than an individual one? The mRNA is located inside the butter bubble that is delivered via a syringe. So, either the butter bubble or the syringe is the delivery system...the mRNA is not.

Just as the gas pump delivers the gas. To borrow our experts own analogy...that he didn’t understand.

I could see where my statement could be misunderstood. Just as "gasoline delivery system " does not suggest that gasoline is doing the delivery, "mRNA delivery system" does not suggest that the mRNA is doing the delivery.

My earlier clarification after I realized the confusion.
"The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still considered experimental because they are still under EUA. Not because they are using mRNA or the mRNA delivery system."

The key point that we have drifted from is that any new covid vaccine that is given EUA status will be considered as experimental. The most common inactivated vaccine (flu) to more recent mRNA vaccines will all be considered experimental if under EUA status. The current mRNA vaccines are not considered experimental because they are new, only because they are under EUA. Once they receive their Biologics License they will no longer be considered as experimental. The Novavax vaccine, if given EUA status, will also be considered experimental even though it's vaccine type is common and used in current Hepatitis B vaccines.

You meant this...

the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are still under EUA because they are considered experimental.

Ultimately whether experimental or not, the numbers are coming down so they're having some effect. I saw an article stating in MA they had 4,000 breakthrough cases among 3.7 million fully vaccinated people. Some saw that as proof the vaccine doesn't work. I saw it as proof that they work better than the trial suggested. It's all in how you look at things. I'm a glass half full kind of person. But that's because I own a kegorator.

4000/3.7M= 0.108%, which puts the efficiency of the vaccines at 99.982%
Pretty impressive for sure. Let’s hope it stays that way.

It's impressive but using those numbers really isn't fair. Not all of the 3.7 million were tested to know exactly how many breakthrough cases there really were. And from what I read, many of the 4000 breakthrough cases were asymptomatic so if a large group within that 3.7 million were asymptomatic they likely wouldn't be tested.

Agreed

These are the same gullible cult victims (1 in 6 Americans) who think communism to them China take over vaccine mind control shape-shifting, blood-drinking Baby raping lizard people. Cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles are trying to control the country’s government, mass media and financial systems. Since they don’t have any public health knowledge, since they don’t have any civics knowledge, the only place they have to turn is their Facebook feeds which amplify voices of other mentally ill cult victims.

Coincidentally, that was about the original survival rate.

FDA added warning labels to the mRNA vaccines.

Did the vaccine companies investigate the risk before applying for full approval ?

Probably not think this is their first rodeo.

That NIH link says
"Hydroxychloroquine does not benefit adults hospitalized with COVID-19"

Don't know why they even bothered doing the study since it was already known even before then, namely that the efficacy claim applies to prophylactic treatements.

People are definitely divided over vax or no vax. But one thing is for sure, death rate from Covid is very low for those under 60 and it is a fact that these jabs are killing & F'ing up a lot of people, old and young, who knows what the future holds for those vaxxed. You can find anything online to lean your way.
I am scared to to take the jab. Covid ran through my house last summer, was not a big deal at all. I am mid 50's, in good health. I loaded up on my protocol at first signs. Was flat axxed tired for 3 days, that is it. 3 of us hit, up and about day 4. My thought, is why take a chance at this stage.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ivermectin-can-drug-be-right-wing

You can buy Ivermectin online. I use the topical liquid, not the paste. Chit works.

your thinking is scrambled

many of them will get Darwin Awards

What if Google and other websites were demoting or removing him? Surely that would never happen…

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FWIW, I got the jab — I hope that wasn’t a mistake. Malone seems credible. What’s not credible is the censorship and revisionist history that’s going on right now.

We should all be asking more questions.


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Talking about Darwin Awards...

"Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine."

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

Mercola is a known snake oil con artist who has been warned of selling scam health cures.
Of course, it's nothing more than a coverup by the evil mind control blood-drinking Baby raping lizard Cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles of the government !

https://quackwatch.org/11ind/mercola/

“In less than 48 hours, my mother was taken off the ventilator, transferred out of the Intensive Care Unit, sitting up on her own and communicating,” the patient’s daughter Michelle Kulbacki told a court.

After the reported change in Judith’s condition, the hospital backtracked and refused to administer more
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“She was out of that hospital in six days,” Lorigo says. After a month of rehab, his octogenarian client went back to her life, which involved working five days a week (she still cleans houses). Her story, complete with photo, was told in the Buffalo News, causing Lorigo’s phone to begin ringing off the hook. Doppleganger cases soon began dotting the map all over the country.

One of the first was in nearby Rochester, New York, where the family of Glenna Dickinson went through an almost exactly similar narrative to the Smentkiewiczes: they read about ivermectin, got a family doctor to prescribe it, saw improvement, only to later have the hospital refuse treatment. Again Lorigo intervened, again a judge ordered the hospital to treat, again the patient recovered and was discharged.

Hospitals fought hard, hiring expensive law firms, at times going to extraordinary lengths to refuse treatment even with dying patients who’d exhausted all other options."