So you feel vindicated in some way because of this situation?

Politics is bringing this entire forum down. Thread by tread.

And it was an F Lee Pietta long colt 45 revolver. SAA Peacemaker.

So no one thinks the same AD for this and Brandon Lee and similar deaths is odd?

Brandon Lee was killed on "The Crow' 1993

David Halls was the AD on "The Crow: Salvation" 2000. That was the sequel.

You would think firearm safety would have been high priority on the sequel but he apparently didn't learn his lesson.

There is a difference between political talk and the kind of stuff that passes for that in PARF, which is where this thread has descended.

I don't really care about Baldwin's politics one way or the other. Its got nothing to do with whether he or the AD or the armorer or all are culpable here. And yes, I understand the irony. But it seems that the majority here can't have a discussion where politics enters and keep their gloves on. Fine in PARF. Not fine in OT.

Oops. My bad. Please disregard my musings until I have reading comprehension figured out! :)

Still, it'd be hard to imagine not working on the sequel and not knowing what happened in making the original.
Total opportunity to have learned about security there.

Sorry guys can't figure out to embed just the video from this site. From the Press conference.

3 fire arms, approx 500 rounds of ammunition. The prjectile was recovered from the shoulder of Mr. Souza beleived to be the projectile fired by Baldwin. They believe/suspect other live rounds on set.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alec-baldwin-s-gun-fired-lead-projectile-sheriff/vi-AAQ1hjB?ocid=msedgntp

Full conference, maybe better then above.

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Seemed like a pretty worthless press conference to me. It didn't seem like there was any information that we couldn't have had days ago. And nothing substantial on how the gun got to Alec and who checked it before handing it to him. Obviously, the AD didn't check it. And I don't believe he was authorized to give it to him per previous discussion here.

No. I do not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/27/movies/hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust-armorer.html

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/rust-shooting-armorer-live-ammo-1235098840/

I heard on the radio that a gun went off while in Hannah Gutierrez-Reed's hands on on her first job as an amorer on The Old Way while she was standing near Nicholas Cage. He had a sh.t about it, yelling that his eardrum was blown out. Someone had suggested that she be fired due to incompetence on that job, too.

She sounds as worthless as the tits on a bull. Maybe this will curb nepotism in Hollywood? Nahhh...

She's a dumb, lazy chick who is bad news, assuming all this stuff is true. I'm sure the producers of Rust got a great deal on her cost, which will cost them and/or their insurance dearly. Dave Halls, the AD, is equally as responsible, too. A couple of train wrecks.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/27/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-tied-to-friends-death/

The AD sounds like a complete idiot:

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/now-we-know-the-type-of-ammo-baldwin

Wow - what a piece of work.

from the NYPost above: "An insurance company for the rookie “Rust” armorer in charge of weapons when Alec Baldwin accidentally shot dead his cinematographer reportedly paid her close friend’s family $50,000 last year so she couldn’t be sued after he was killed in a drunken motorcycle crash.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed’s friend Tyler Dyer wrecked his motorcycle in Arizona after attending a party with her and her boyfriend Aaron Butcher in August last year, TMZ reports.

The 24-year-old former model allegedly told police she saw Dyer and Butcher drink four to five beers each at the party, but still gave her boyfriend — who was already on probation for a DUI — the keys to her own motorcycle so the two men could leave, the outlet reported.

Gutierrez-Reed’s boyfriend was only supposed to be driving vehicles that had a Breathalyzer attached, which her motorcycle didn’t have, according to the outlet.

The men were riding alongside each other after leaving the party when Dyer lost control and crashed into a wall, according to authorities. Butcher crashed after trying to avoid colliding with his friend."

I'm sure she was well-qualified for the job or armorer...

None of that matters. Not in the least. The only thing that matters is that Alec Baldwin didn't check it. He cocked it, he aimed it, he pulled the trigger. Without checking it first. That is the only thing that matters.

Dave Halls is not responsible in any way either. Alec Baldwin is the only one responsible. Again, Alec Baldwin cocked it, aimed it, and pulled the trigger. No one did any of that for him. Alec Baldwin did not check to see if the gun was loaded when he took possession of it. When he takes possession, all of that becomes his responsibility and no one else's. This is an absolute when dealing with firearms.

Firearms handling rules have been developed over hundreds of years by a shooting community that includes military, law enforcement, hunters, match competitors, and mere plinkers. They are almost as absolute as the laws of physics. Those who are unaware of them, those who violate them, those who deny they apply to them are certain to get hurt, hurt someone, kill someone, or get killed themselves. That's what happened here.

I've learned from this thread that Hollywood has its own rules. That's all well and good, as long as they are "in addition to" these long established and recognized rules. Unfortunately, it appears that they believe their rules can be "instead of". And, as a result, they kill people.

Anyone who takes possession of a firearm becomes immediately responsible for each and every bullet that travels down its barrel while it is in their possession. No exceptions.

Worth adding that the Producer Actor wasn't following these rules either.
He took a gun from someone other than the armorer.
That decision on the producer actor's part broke the Hollywood rules and Alec Baldwin CHOSE to do it.

With all due respect, I think you've got it backwards, Jeff. I personally don't know, but based on what Hugh and Craig have been saying, the assumption is the actor is assumed to know nothing and gets the weapon from a professional armorer. If you had such an armorer with you every time you aimed, pulled the trigger on, or handled a gun, you wouldn't need to do anything. This seems right to me, as teaching every actor the ins/outs of every weapon they get is time consuming and I would expect it to be very effective, either. I could see more accidents resulting from blanks going off. Hollywood has done a pretty good job with this so far, I think it'll get worse doing things conventionally. The armorer is supposed to make sure there is NO live ammunition and in this case NOTHING in the gun Alec got. I suppose he probably shouldn't have gotten a real gun for what he was doing in the first place.

Total fail by the armorer and AD here, and I'm sure the producers will have financial liability for hiring worthless people to do that job and running such a sh.tshow set.