New bike build #22
 

and so it begins
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What is it, Billy? Gotta to see more

I'm going to guess "Moots"

close Moots and Serotta were the other 2 finalists and are owned by riding buds

#22, Great Divide disk

Di2 12spd wireless groupset
160mmm f/r disks
Enve 3.4
Enve AR
Fizik

NBD and NBBD is the best day.

It's been too long for me.

Cool project Bill!

But why Di2 and not Sram RED E-Tap? Just curious. Have had both, and my current Tri bike and road bike (by choice) are now Sram.... And future bikes will be Sram. This after 35 years of Shimano....

Cheers

Had not heard of No22. Looked them up. Very nice stuff. Looking forward to seeing the build out! :cool:

What he said. Man, there's a lot of small bike brands these days.

No 22 is great, a bunch of old Serotta guys there that know what's up.

I often wonder what happened to guys at Soretta or any of the small custom builders from the 90s that closed up shop in the past 10-20 years?

Oh man, that Aroura looks so good.

As Greg says several are at #22, they are the techs that built my frame

Ben has restarted his business as well, main office is in Saratoga

I have been using Shimano for 25yrs, Di 2 on my Synapse - works great, our riding group has Shimano mechanical and electronic, Campy mechanical and Sram electronic, all work great. Whatever you are used to is a good way to go.
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Dave Kirk, the guy at Serotta that did the Hors Cat and the curved Ottrott stays etc is a custom builder on his own and does amazing work. Mike Lopez ended up at Reynolds, then on his own as a carbon guru.

Ben must be in his mid to late 70s by now. He supplied bike to the National team around the mid to late 80s. Those guys make a beautiful Ti frame then and I am sure they are even better now.

That's a very sweet looking bike, Bill.

I am a Dura Ace guy through and through but have SRAM e tap only because there's no electronic cable anywhere. I am getting used to it but still dislike how it operates. My kid has Ultegra DI2 and I love it. Their lever just feels better in my hand and the shifting is quick. I am just bias but the few SRAM groups I have has never missed a shift. Their shifting is goofy but that's just me.

These small builders remind me of Independent fabrication or the traditional Italian shops. Small production but very beautiful bikes. Let us know how it rides.

It's interesting that the frame has a tapered head tube. Common these days but not so much on titanium frames. I suppose it is to allow for a larger diameter downtube for stiffness. But where does a tapered titanium head tube even come from? Is that an off-the-shelf item one simply purchases from a supplier or do they have some sort of mandrel to form their own? Seems like forming titanium would not be an easy task.

Also, their Aurora and Reactor Ti frames are super interesting with the carbon seat tubes!

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https://www.paragonmachineworks.com/headtubes.html

Paragon has most of the bits you need to build a ti bike.

I have a custom ti built by a VERY small builder (no longer doing it) that has a tapered ht and very ovalized biaxial downtube. It rides very well for as stiff as it is.

Sorry to hijack Bill. I have a set of the AR bars on a Serotta, and absolutely love them-I like to run with the hoods angled in a bit, and the flare really makes the levers accessible from the drops, plus the tops are flat enough without being too wide.

Very nice... great spec as well. Love a Ti bike...

Gorgeous

The new Di2s are all wireless 12spd(11-34), The only things inside the frame are the hydraulic lines and some wire for the derailleur action in the lower seat tube and chain stay. The bar shifters have little watch batteries, The shifters also communicate w/ my Garmin's showing what gear is selected, There a whole little network between bike computer, wrist watch, phone, shifters and Varia rear radar/light/cam

I have wired Di 2 Dura ace on my old soon to be retired Ti w/ semi- compact crank and 11 speed 11-32 which has ben my fav compared to compact crank 11-28 on my Synapse

Used w/ a semi-compact crank the 11-34 gear spread is awesome

a bud picked up his #22 Drifter this summer, It's a gravel bike but setup similar to mine
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coming together
 

stem & bar height are just mockups at this point
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In a world full of s-shaped CF seatstays, this view is shockingly and surprisingly beautiful. I love the shape of the bridge - Perfect.

(edit- I just noticed the cast seatpost head. That is really cool.)


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Can I be really rude and ask a question of somebody who obviously knows how to work on bikes?

I have a 20yo Gary Fisher that I would like to get back on the road. The brakes are I think early Generation hydraulic with single piston calipers. I think the brand is hales or Haynes. They are all gummed up, if I buy a modern set of hydraulic brakes will they have the same mounting features or are there different conventions? Looked around a bit on the internet and couldent figure it out. I plan to take the bike off the ceiling and get a better look this weekend.

Wow. I had no idea this tech was happening.

"There a whole little network between bike computer, wrist watch, phone, shifters and Varia rear radar/light/cam"

Gotta ask, why? what does all this provide you via Apps? Reading some of these posts are like viewing Klingon Scripture.

Do you still use Clothes Pins and Playing Cards in the Spokes? Or is there now an app for that?


So how much does one of these cost fully built? I assume there is special Bike Insurance for these?

A. Yes, and it's not even rude.

B. Do you have a picture? 20 YO tech might be proprietary.

'Garmin Connect 'collects and saves everything, I have Garmin records from day 1, ~10yrs ago, wish I had started earlier, I have my personal logs that go back ~40yrs but thee is soo much missing.

Not just biking either, walking, skiing, sailing and even yard work can be tracked if you so desire.

Here's the last ride of 2023, Please excuse the poor results, my excuse is age and 2 new hips installed in 2023.
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The main category missing is power as I don't care about that anymore.

cost? If you have to ask you can't afford it.

Thanks I think I got it figured out with a little youtubin, front brakes are standard post mount but rear are IS mount with the holes around 50mm. I ordered a new set of brakes with p mounts and hopefully the right adapter from amazon.

Cheapo Shimano something or other but should be good enough if I can make them work. Will have to figure out adjusting the chain/gear/deraluirs next but shouldent be rocket surgery. Just ridin around the hood with the kiddos, currently using a walmart bike.

Got a couple of 1000 miles on it, gotta say it's great, haven't even thought about riding my other bikes

I set up the Di2 to do synchronized shifting, the computer does the chain ring shifts I only have to do the cassette shifts, makes life so much easier.

Also like the wider tubeless tires, I used 23 then 25s on my old Lightspeed Ti and 25 then 28s on the Hi Mod carbon Synapse w/ Enve 3.3s, these are 30s on new version Envy 3.3, the wider tire w/ much lower pressures sure takes a lot of the pain out of rough roads
My favorite rest stop
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Old Erie Canal on the other side of the Mohawk
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Sweet bike. It looks fantastic.

Yes to wider road tires. I've got my new gravel rig equipped with an extra set of road wheels with 32's and I now prefer the gravel bike over my S-Works Tarmac on roadrides. It's more comfortable and the extra rubber and air volume make me feel safer on steep and twisty downhills. (Hydraulic disc brakes are another great benefit). I think the continual marginal gains over the last ten years have obsoleted a previous generation of top end bicycles.

^ That's a really sharp bike!
...of course, this - you already know.

That will be fun to pound some miles on!