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Tidybuoy 04-09-2024 12:36 PM

Can someone explain this strange circuit breaker?
 
I got a new service box installed and they put in a couple of circuit breakers that I've never seen before. They have 4 switches and I'm wondering if all 4 need to be switched off for 240v or what.

I'm trying to label all of my circuits, but the electrician labeled the outer two switches "surge". I'm confused.

And while I'm asking questions - My main power disconnect shows 2 - 100 amp circuit breakers - does that mean I have 200 amp service?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1712694869.jpg

Zeke 04-09-2024 01:06 PM

It's 100 amp service and the quad breakers have the two center breakers handle tied, and the two outer ones are handle tied for a 240v circuit. The outer tie can be removed if one wants 2 separate 120v circuits. That means you can have what they call a multi-wire branch circuit, or MWBC too, but you must leave the tie. You don't see those much now with the AFCI breaker requirement. Individual neutrals, not one for 2 120v circuits using 12-3 cable.

billybek 04-10-2024 04:32 AM

Milt is correct. 100 amp service.
The breakers are connected to the buss bars and will provide 240 VAC from phase to phase to a load. Range/Oven/Drier/AC...
120 VAC from each phase to neutral is utilized for most loads in the home.
The outer tied breaker marked "Surge" is connected to a whole home surge protector that should be mounted close to the electrical panel.

Tobra 04-10-2024 07:35 AM

This is the first time you have seen that, really?

Tidybuoy 04-10-2024 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 12229757)
This is the first time you have seen that, really?

Yes, really.

I just had solar installed this year and part of the process included upgrading my utility service box. My old Zinzer box did not have anything like these breakers. And yes, they installed a whole house surge protector - I didn't realize the outer breakers marked "surge were for that.

Zeke 04-10-2024 10:34 AM

They go through a surge protector. They are still circuits.

70SATMan 04-10-2024 04:50 PM

Dinning Room?;)

Shaun @ Tru6 04-10-2024 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 12230088)
Dinning Room?;)

Everyone should have a very loud room.:)

70SATMan 04-10-2024 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 12230094)
Everyone should have a very loud room.:)

Mine was the basement, growing up hahaha!

Zeke 04-11-2024 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 12230094)
Everyone should have a very loud room.:)

Over his head.

herr_oberst 04-11-2024 12:34 PM

Dinner. The rowdiest meal of the day.

70SATMan 04-11-2024 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12230472)
Over his head.

No…

Din…

Done.

Shaun @ Tru6 04-11-2024 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70SATMan (Post 12230632)
No…

Din…

Done.

No din or... Odin, who's son Thor's room would be very loud indeed!

Who knows their Norse mythology?!

E Sully 04-12-2024 07:11 AM

https://www.diteksurgeprotection.com/understanding-the-2023-nec-rules-for-surge-protection/


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