lol ^^^ One reaps what they sow?


There’s no one to save you in the real world. No mama. No papa. No uncle Sam.

Most homelessness would end if we stopped subsidizing it, stop excusing (and even romanticizing) folks that make poor decisions again and again, and enforced laws that are on the books.

Coming from a very humble beginning, it has always been clear to me...that people will work when they get hungry. Once they get used to working (and making reasonably good decisions) to eat and provide shelter, it becomes a habit...they want/are willing to work for more. It is a habit that they pass down to their children.

Once there was no shame in failure (and living on the street), it became a bit too acceptable...just like alcoholism, recreational drug use, and addiction.

Poor decisions are not necessarily solely due to poor character, but if the consequences are not felt, they are normalized and accepted...just as crime has in recent years. Similarly, if folks that make good decisions see those that do not are similarly rewarded...it encourages poor behavior on their part.

This thread is about Homeless Vets. The thread will stay here because some of the perspectives are outstanding and valuable.

Make this thread about you, or another poster, the thread will stay, you won't.

Best.

I caught this yesterday:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1720721751.jpg

I recruited hundreds and never once told one that they were signing up to die. In fact, just the opposite. The last thing we (or they) want is for them to die. The idea is to kill the enemy and minimize your own casualties.

Being patriotic does not mean I support socialism or communism. You are quite presumptuous to lecture me on military service. Supporting "the troops" is not treating them as if they are less capable than those that chose not to do so. It is demeaning to them. That said, your argument is not about the military, but your embrace of wealth redistribution. If you were really concerned about military members, you could contribute to one of the many excellent charities that do a good job providing for those that really need help. The military is nothing like you think it is. Enlist (if they will accept you) and see for yourself. I enjoyed my service immensely.

what you said to convince someone to join up is irrelevant.

crime is massively down, so like, the rest of your rant is also bull**** and irrelevant.

Sorry for my last exchange .... I know better.

For any aging Vet that has seen combat, multiple tours in war zones, etc. and is "on the street" due to "whatever" .... I say put a roof over their head .... it's that simple.

Just because. Give them a bottle or an opiate/methadone, etc. (..."doctor prescribes ... drug store supplies") AND a place to live that's not "on the street" .... REGARDLESS.

Some folks have a high IQ, don't have the "addict gene", are simply lucky, or whatever .... they don't fall through the cracks of society... most don't.

A small percentage falls through .... they are human and not perfect.

WWJD? ... he'd ARF this thread....

No one tells them that. There is nothing in the oath they take or in military doctrine that asks them to intentionally give up their life. Just the opposite. They are required to fight for their life as hard as they can (the goal is to kill the enemy, not play Kamikaze). Paintball experience really is not applicable.

Crime is not massively down. Just the opposite. Reporting crime and prosecuting it is down.

Veterans with legitimate combat related issues are already cared for...as much as they will allow it.

Folks that are called "lucky" are generally just those that work harder, sacrifice more, and make a lot of good decisions.

And that's where we differ.
I believe those who work hard, sacrifice, and make a lot of good decisions, don't give enough credit to luck. For example, my first lucky streak was being born a healthy upper-middle-class white American in an era of prosperity.

Everyone else is talking about homeless VETERANS

So you are saying their poor choice was joining a military that would cast them aside?

Actually, I don't know or care what you are trying to say. People running the VA have the same attitude as you, which is giving us a bunch of veterans dying on the streets. No, we are not taking care of our vetrans the way we should. You are quite simply, wrong. One day you may come to the realization that not everyone is like you, or has the support system you have.

JK, no way that light bulb ever goes on

Fint, I am the luckiest guy currently on this side of the grass. It was not hard work

Folks like me that were not blessed with those things were able to do quite well if they made good choices. You were not lucky, your parents made good choices (and you benefitted).

What he did not do was use his powers to cure every ailment on the planet. He did not house every homeless person, did not cure every sick person, did not make every acre fertile.

The WWJD question applied to this issue is, imo, a misstatement of exactly what Jesus did.

LOL .... this thread belongs in the Religious Forum .... that was my only point with that ;)...

But to your point.... you overreached a bit. I'm saying any Vet that saw combat, multiple tours, etc. .... and NO MATTER what got them "there/homeless" .... put a roof over their heads. Period.

I don't GAF if they made/make bad decisions ... house them.

Jesus was a teacher. His works were lessons to guide and instruct us with his vision. So that WE could do his work for him after he died on the cross for us.

I hope you didn't take my post as an afront. I simply thought you'd be interested in my perspective, as I was in yours.

Have a lovely evening Fint.

Afterburner made an epic, personal experience post on this subject a couple of nights ago but then deleted it a little while later; what he does with his posts is AB's business, obviously, but I wish he had left it here as it was a remarkable contribution.

That's AB for ya .... "poof .... gone" ;)

And it was indeed.....

He gave folks the means to solve their own problems. All, including salvation...required a good choice to be made versus a poor one.

I did not take your post as an afront. I was happy to provide my perspective. Thanks for yours. I hope my kids give me some credit for their success by providing them the things/opportunities I was not provided...versus luck.

My evening has been quite pleasant. I just took my '89 Targa out (topless) for a spin in the cooler night air...after enjoying some baby back ribs (that had been cooking all day in a slow cooker before finishing on the grill).

Enjoy your evening as well.

I've only been on one military base in my life (if the Air Force Academy in '77 counts), but I grew up with more family members and friends throughout my adult life that served than I could count .... I was "down east" in the 70s (Hay St. ???) and have always been around Vets, and at times LOTS of them .... always.

House them.