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fintstone 08-02-2024 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 12295969)
This is correct. America First Isolationism, no longer wanting to be the world's policeman and "no new wars" makes the U.S. a paper tiger.

The worst part of the new evolving world order is autocrats/dictators/tyrants are now working together/helping each other to evade U.S. sanctions.

I would more blame poor/weak leadership from elected officials and a failure to make those that attack our country pay the price. Accepting plea deals for the 9/11 mastermind Kahlid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM) and two other terrorists awaiting trial on Guantánamo Bay is a good example of this. The death penalty was/is the answer (or someday, some weak leader will also trade them for hostages).

Why do folks take hostages? The same reason crooks rob banks. It works...it is where the money is. When it stops working or the risk/reward ratio is too great, it will end.

Our willingness to play around (start wars) that do not directly involve U.S. interests (that we are not willing to fight) is the issue. Too many call for wars that they do not want to pay for with their own blood or treasure. We cannot even recruit enough to fill a peacetime military. Warhawks do not seem eager to enlist or send their own children.

Proxy wars are the worst...because we trick some other fools into dying for our political whims ...and we abandon them (because the reality sets in once the enemy shows they have more backbone than our leaders...and few Americans are willing to die for some CIA-led coup). Even fewer are physically and mentally capable of serving in our current social-experiment military. That doesn't mean that the same would be true to save/protect our own country/countrymen.

Bugsinrugs 08-02-2024 06:02 AM

From what I have read, Navalny was part of the deal. He was killed before Germany agreed to release their Russian prisoner.

fintstone 08-02-2024 06:47 AM

Yes. Sorta like Epstein. Dead men tell no tales.

Russians really got a great deal...pretty lopsided trade. The deal only happened because they knew that they would never get such a sweet deal offered again. Sorta like trading a rusted-out beater for a pristine early S... because the owner of the S is getting divorced and doesn't want the wife/wife's new squeeze to end up with it.

On a positive note, the families of thee 3 US citizens and the families of the Russian assassin and other assorted high-level criminals are probably really pleased. I am happy for them.

Baz 08-02-2024 01:02 PM

Good segment from last night.....

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Tobra 08-02-2024 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 12295928)
Glad folks are coming home, but it is open season on Americans when the world knows that we will trade money and criminals/murderers/assassins to get them back (with no repercussions). There was a time when folks knew it was a bad idea to kidnap Americans. Many are still held around the world including by HAMAS. We can/need to do better.

This is true.

Weak, feckless US leadership is encouraging Iran and Persian proxies. Not only that, but gave them a boatload of cash to use against us and our allies. The world is a MUCH more dangerous place with a weak USA.

I guess at least there are "adults in charge" now.

A930Rocket 08-03-2024 08:14 AM

Why is it we never heard about the woman that was released? Russian-American journalist Alsu Kurmasheva, was also released.

All I ever read about was Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich and American veteran Paul Whelan.

Alan A 08-03-2024 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 12296668)
Why is it we never heard about the woman that was released? Russian-American journalist Alsu Kurmasheva, was also released.

All I ever read about was Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich and American veteran Paul Whelan.

Perhaps it’s because no-one cares when they have that particular hyphenation.
What’s wrong with “American”. Why does anyone get a hyphen with citizenship?

fintstone 08-03-2024 10:54 AM

Maybe because she is a Russian citizen.


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