This could have gone badly if they were real LEOs

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Teflon coated bullets defies the physics of body armor. The only bullets meant to penetrate soft level 3 is the 5.7. Iirc, they don’t have to be ap as they’re flying fast enough.

I thought I'd heard it was teflon coated bullets, but I wasn't positive and didn't want to say anything if it had been something from Lethal Weapon or something like that, LOL. And right, big enough, fast enough bullet and you're screwed.

[Arizona_928]

Kinda. Speed / hardness of the material… I wonder how a moissanite sabot would perform.

[Por_sha911]

You don't need armor piercing ammo. We've been told that a simple 9mm handgun ammo will "blow out a lung"

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

I'm not aware of a situation that ended in a gunfight like this, but there have been instances of people imitating ICE agents robbing people and committing sexual assault.

This whole masked officers not identifying themselves thing going on needs to be put to bed ASAP.

Even in a no-knock situation like serving a warrant on a dangerous suspect, police will still identify themselves. Not to mention marking on their vests, badges, and cars with lights. This even pertains to the “jump out boys” that will take people down on the street. Let’s not forget this wasn’t SWAT knocking down someone’s door, this was two men knocking on the door of a residence at night. No reason why real PD wouldn’t have immediately identified themselves.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by David Inc.

I'm not aware of a situation that ended in a gunfight like this, but there have been instances of people imitating ICE agents robbing people and committing sexual assault.

Show us one. Such an incident would without a doubt make headline news across the nation.

Originally Posted by David Inc.

This whole masked officers not identifying themselves thing going on needs to be put to bed ASAP.

Nonsense. This whole no-knock raid thing needs to stop. This is an entirely different issue from LEO seeking to protect their identity. I don't expect you to understand why, but everyone else will.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Pretty sad when police have to conceal their identity to protect their families, and criminals don’t. Strange world we live in. My BIL is ICE, those who target law enforcement and their families can pretty well burn in hell.

[Arizona_928]

Policing in America is interesting. They directly **** where they eat… imo, it has become all barnie and no Andy. Prevalence of malfeasance doesn’t help sway public opinion (scotty scheffler anyone).

Same with firefighters and the nationwide PFAS contamination. However, that’s a bit unfair as they at least didn’t know they were poisoning everyone’s drinking water (unlike monsanto) and were often the target of the corporate greed.