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Originally Posted by yazhound (Post 8492567)

Sad way to boost the ego. Want to impress than do it the Tarzan way with a knife. Or be stealthy and get a great close up photo. Nearly any fool can blast with a high powered, scoped rifle.

If the bison was eaten and otherwise used for more than a mount on the wall that is at least something. The Cougar no excuse for that. Just narcissistic.

^^^ This. I regret that I was too blunt with my initial comments about Chandler, but it really irks me to see examples of 'trophy hunters' destroying the most magnificent possible creatures when they should be doing their best to conserve them and aid in their well being.

There are deer hunters who follow the rules, hunt responsibly, ask landowners for permission to hunt, in order to put meat on their family's tables. It's not my thing, but I have to respect that these guys are properly observing society's norms.

However, to kill the most fantastic creature to be found, just to boast? There is no justification for this on any level. To me it's like going into the Louvre in order to slash the Mona Lisa. Such corrupt self-absorption deserves no respect from anyone. It's an obscenity.

On the other hand, somehow in concert with yazhound's remarks above, I believe that trophy hunters might be allowed, but uniquely if they hunt stark naked, armed with only a sharp stick. Such a guy could boast if he brought down a cougar, but he would be obliged to invite everyone to the barbeque.

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 8492101)

Hunting bison on Catalina Island isnt something to be boasting about...

+1 I'm a hunter, but come on. I just did a mountain bike ride from Two Harbors to Avalon and the damned things were blocking all the trails with ZERO fear of humans. We had to throw rocks at them to get em to move. You could kill one with a 9 iron.

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[QUOTE=Jerome74911S;8492612it really irks me to see examples of 'trophy hunters' destroying the most magnificent possible creatures when they should be doing their best to conserve them and aid in their well being.
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Please provide us with the list of which animals are magnificent and which are not, which are OK to kill and eat and which are not.

I assume you think cows are not magnificent, probably not chickens either, right?
I'd be very interested to hear your take on tuna vs. porpoise also.
Rats are considered pests, but they're still animals.
I don't eat rats. but i love a good steak. I like fish too. And chicken, I eat chicken all the time. And Turkeys, and pork.
I like all of That FOOD.

It's a good thing the animals we eat are not magnificent. otherwise we'd all starve.

Suppose an animal was gonna eat me. like maybe a bear or a shark or a lion.
If one of those animals was gonna eat me, I could shoot back in self defense, right? After all I am magnificent.
Just wondering where that line is.

What if the population of magnificent critters was too high for their environment to support them, then what? Should we let them slowly starve to death until the population drops to match the food supply?

What about, if people PAID for the right to hunt the over-populated critters, and the money was used to HELP the rest of em? Huh?
that gets a little more complicated doesn't it.
The hunters would be the ones paying to conserve.
Wow does that really happen in real life? Yes, it does.

So we could let some of em starve slowly, or let people hunt some of them to raise money to support the rest. Huh, gotta think about that one. if i were a sniveler who was guided strictly by my emotions I know what I would do, let em starve slowly and then cry WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING????

Oh, another question:
if our domesticated food supply suddenly went away and the only way to survive was hunting and gathering, people skilled in hunting would be just fine but others who find it disgusing would starve to death.
Does that seem fair? that those who maintain their survival skills would survive and those who do not would die?
I guess I'm Ok with that. Seems almost like common sense.

But it's all a moot point, we'll never ever run out of food. Right? Nothing could ever go wrong that would temporarily disrupt our food chain so there's no need to worry.

besides, if people ever got hungry enough they'd shed their hypocritical beliefs in a heartbeat and kill whatever was edible so it wouldn't matter.
Unless ... it was too late ....

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Something to eat before the meat is served.

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8492906)

Please provide us with the list of which animals are magnificent and which are not, which are OK to kill and eat and which are not.

I assume you think cows are not magnificent, probably not chickens either, right?
I'd be very interested to hear your take on tuna vs. porpoise also.
Rats are considered pests, but they're still animals.
I don't eat rats. but i love a good steak. I like fish too. And chicken, I eat chicken all the time. And Turkeys, and pork.
I like all of That FOOD.

It's a good thing the animals we eat are not magnificent. otherwise we'd all starve.

Suppose an animal was gonna eat me. like maybe a bear or a shark or a lion.
If one of those animals was gonna eat me, I could shoot back in self defense, right? After all I am magnificent.
Just wondering where that line is.

What if the population of magnificent critters was too high for their environment to support them, then what? Should we let them slowly starve to death until the population drops to match the food supply?

What about, if people PAID for the right to hunt the over-populated critters, and the money was used to HELP the rest of em? Huh?
that gets a little more complicated doesn't it.
The hunters would be the ones paying to conserve.
Wow does that really happen in real life? Yes, it does.

So we could let some of em starve slowly, or let people hunt some of them to raise money to support the rest. Huh, gotta think about that one. if i were a sniveler who was guided strictly by my emotions I know what I would do, let em starve slowly and then cry WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING????

Oh, another question:
if our domesticated food supply suddenly went away and the only way to survive was hunting and gathering, people skilled in hunting would be just fine but others who find it disgusing would starve to death.
Does that seem fair? that those who maintain their survival skills would survive and those who do not would die?
I guess I'm Ok with that. Seems almost like common sense.

But it's all a moot point, we'll never ever run out of food. Right? Nothing could ever go wrong that would temporarily disrupt our food chain so there's no need to worry.

besides, if people ever got hungry enough they'd shed their hypocritical beliefs in a heartbeat and kill whatever was edible so it wouldn't matter.
Unless ... it was too late ....

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Yeah pal rats are magnificent. At the risk of being offensive I am answering the rhetorical in the same vein that it was asked. Elephant yes or no? Do you really have to ask? Giraffe ? Same....

Domesticated animals for food stock are not on nor close to the endangered species list. Mankind is certainly is not unless we continue to f up the planet.

As with porn, you know magnificence when you see it. To suggest otherwise is just being disingenuous.

Far as I can tell guy was not hunting the cougar because he was hungry.

As far as most hunters go, they now spend far more on the acutrements of hunting then they would spend on groceries. Including, but not limited to: lisc.; 4 wheeler; the lastest and greatest camo; scent block; corn for the plots; tree stands....etc.... so..... price per pound of food on the table from hunting is pretty steap. Take out the gonna starve unless I hunt argument and you just having the killing left.

As for some of your questions off topic, we are not talking about face to face with a bear out of accident. The issue is simply hunting for "sport" if you can call it that.
As for all domesticated beasts going extinct or becoming rare.... if that truely occurs liklihood that won't be a lot of bambi left either. And anyway, simply because you choose not to hunt does not mean the skill is not there.

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8492906)

Please provide us with the list of which animals are magnificent and which are not, etc., etc., etc.

I have neither time nor interest to debate this issue here, plus it belongs in PARF, because you make it as shrill and 'fact-filled' as most subjects found there.

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For the record, I would not have posted the Chandler photos if I'd have thought there would be controversial. I snapped those with my cell phone while standing in line at Bass Pro Shops - I think they (and many others) are on loan there. I like storytelling-through-photography, and they spoke to me for some reason.

Bison: I've been to Catalina many many times - they must be culled in my opinion.
Mountain lions: I think they're majestic and all, but I have no problem with them being hunted down to just above sustainable numbers. We hike and bike a lot in So Cal, and my wife and her friends are often smaller than the lions I hear roaming our foothills' neighborhoods, and then there are the child-filled backyards... I know all about it being their territory etc., but if it's them or the safety of humans, there's no question in my mind.

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So many photo-shopportunities there.

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Dang, I never saw cash as the option in a vending machine.

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Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 8493149)

So many photo-shopportunities there.

Can't resist

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