Additionally, what I find interesting is the OT forum suddenly feels "frightened." Since Wayne killed the thread, no one's posted anything that's happened in the last 24 hours. Like, for example...

Bush's insurgence in the Middle East has been linked to Libya saying it will destroy all its WMDs. He's playing the justifiable strong arm in the region which is causing rogue countries to run scared. Hence, Bush is showing himself as a President who is more tactful than the Liberals care to acknowledge, and will definitely win the next election - probably by a landslide.

I'm not about to start a thread like that on this board. I'm afraid people will not be able to handle themselves properly...:rolleyes:

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I believe that the OT Forum is much more of an asset than a liability. Just take a look at the people represented here. Look at the diversity of people from all over the globe. Where else can I get an opinion from someone in the UK, NZ, Sweden, Canada all in the same thread. Look at the occupations of the people on this Board, from Business owners to Md"s... It all comes together because of a common interest in Porsches....but it doesn't end there...people have other interests besides Porsches as DD74 so aptly pointed out. There are only so many times you can talk about the tire size your Porsche takes...and this OT Board for those so inclined to, can talk about what ever interests them.

I generally feel enriched because of the diversity of points of view, hearing the opinion of people from other countries especially broadens my point of view as an American. I have argued these very points ceaselessly for years on that other Board.

I don't want to get sidetracked nor belabor the point, but isn't it ironic that the nay sayers about this Board are the same ones that correspond on that Other Board. Huh Jackie O and Ted AKA G Burner. I find their points of view to be especially narrow minded.

Further G Burner if this forum was cutting into my bootom line I would abolish the whole dam thing lock stock and barrel. The OT forum is a good device to keep the other forums focused on the pertinent subject. But my bet is that this Board is good for business for every customer Wayne loses I'll bet he gets 3. Increased traffic, increased visibility, get the people in the door and some of their money will rub off on you. Great Advertising. The OT Board just keeps some of the more intelligent (my opinion) ones here a little longer....and I do think there is a correlation between intelliegence...education and higher incomes????Hmmmm!

forgive me for being so dense, but in what way?? as per my earlier post, which ones?? say what??? the forum or OT board is not a place of employment. it is an electronic forum that absolutely no-one needs to wander, walk, travel, crawl through or anything else to do business with Pelican. this forum is in no way necessary for any customer to come in contact with Pelican or its employees. the analogy doesn't wash now you're really getting way out there :rolleyes:
amen brother

The lines seems to be drawn,
Some here feel very Pro off topic board.
I in turn feel very pro Pelican.
If you had to pick one which would it be?

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Originally posted by ted
The OT board is a liability in this sense.
It has far more negative potential than positive on Pelican sales.
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forgive me for being so dense, but in what way??

A customer is offended by anything on the OT board and chooses to go somewhere else. Funny part is that the offended customer is not offended by Wayne's views, just the views of the people that post on OT.

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The way it reads to me is that some of you feel that every thread should remain. Even the threads that result in lost sales for Pelican parts.
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as per my earlier post, which ones??
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Perhaps the one that got deleted? I really doubt Wayne deleted it because he disagreed with the opinions posted.

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Is turn around fair play?
Everyone OK with the fact that we should be allowed in your place of employment and openly discuss anything? Then should we be harsh to you when our actions drive a paying customer away?
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say what??? the forum or OT board is not a place of employment. it is an electronic forum that absolutely no-one needs to wander, walk, travel, crawl through or anything else to do business with Pelican. this forum is in no way necessary for any customer to come in contact with Pelican or its employees. the analogy doesn't wash
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OT board is not a place of employment?
Perhaps the minority that agree with you are of the same belief.
Pelican is an internet based mail order parts business. It says drivewerks at the top of the page.

Wayne wrote..............
I deleted the Bush TV thread for a variety of reasons. First of all, this is a business website, and I have no time or energy for people emailing me because they are upset at what someone said in an OT post. If problems continue, the OT forum will be disabled, period.

-Wayne


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You call yourselves Pelican-heads, though you feel your threads are more important than Pelican?
Then have you not become the Pelican's cancer?
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now you're really getting way out there

You are not the brains nor the heart, as your actions could be destructive to the Pelican business. Then if not a cancer certainly the pimple on the butt of the Pelican.


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Also, it is apparent, from this thread, just who's afraid to swim in the deep-end . And, who are likely to complain to the lifegard, when others are 'playing in the deep-end.'
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amen brother

The pool is the Pelican business.
Don't pee in the Pelican pool.;)

I can see Pelican's issue very well. I can see your opinions too.
Fact is this is not Islands, ronin's or Ted's OT board.
Whatever the person that is paying for this board determines is correct is the bottomline on this forum.

Is it common for Porsche mail order parts providers to host OT boards? I guess not, wonder why?:)

Listen,

The off topic forum is the racers lounge; the ski lodge; the pro shop; whatever...where we all go to shoot the ***** and blow off some steam after a day at the track/slope/course what-have-you.

Someone stated earlier that if you don't like it, don't join in. That's the best way to treat this. Let's not forget that Wayne could pull the plug on this forum any time he wants - he owns it. If he sees fit to pull a post, so be it. Whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant as I don't know the full story behind it.


Seeing this forum go away would be tragic.

Censoring political discussion or killing the OT forum would absolutely be Wayne's perrogative, since he owns the site. It would also be stupid beyond belief and indicate a complete lack of understanding of what an internet community is, the vitality of this community and its value to Pelican Parts as a business.

I could not disagree more w/ you, Mike. (Ted). There is nothing particularly special about Pelican besides this web site. Without the web site, (forums specifically), it is just another parts house that advertises in magazines. You can disagree w/ this all you want, but this has become one of the top 100 BBS sites in the world because of the community. Do you really think that there are that many people in the world who need help adjusting their valves?? :confused:

I rarely need mechanical advice, (although when I do this board is invaluable), if I only used the site for this and to order parts I would log in once a month (maybe), instead of, well, let's just say several times a day. ;) :D

Pelican has become famous because of the web and this BBS, period, and it is a community. A community w/ lots of smart people who enjoy arguing about politics or whatever else, and Pelican has provided a lounge for us. For those who don't care for opinions on non-car subjects, don't visit the OT forum!! It takes several clicks of the mouse for some sissy-ass whining little girl of a Pelican customer to find this offensive material. :rolleyes:

Furthermore, every car-related site that I have ever visited has an OT section where members can espouse their brave views in support of jingoism and the brilliance of AM radio, you might want to warn the rest of them about the harm that this is causing their MOPAR business. :rolleyes:

The only thing that made this forum any different is that the conservatives are a lot smarter than average, and the discussions better. Not a lot of "your momma" around here, ever visit a Honda board?

Anyways, do what you want, Wayne. It is your ball and you can take it home and end this kickball game. But in the words of my hero Dick Nixon, "You won't have me, (or anyone else), to kick around anymore." ;)

Way to go, Denis. So true! This board without the OT forum would be Rennlist...

BTW Ted, you wouldn't happen to be "Deep Stroke" would you? ;)

I'm being truthful when I say that when I visit the Pelican Boards, I hit the OT Forum 9 times out of 10.

Yes, I love my 911, but it seems like the same thing gets re-hashed over on the 911 tech board every 18 months. There's only so much talk about the 911 that I can stand (blasphemy, I know :rolleyes: ).

The OT forum, however, is amusing, interesting, and always different. Where else can I ask questions about Ducatis, bash liberals (or right-wingers), and comment on SciFi at the same time???

Because of that Pelican will get my $$$ when it's time to do my suspension rebuild. Shocks, bushings, you name it.

No I'm not deep stroke?
I've met Denis and he's a super nice guy.
My opinion on the OT is the same as most of yours.
I too have been a bit bored by some of the repeat posts on the tech boards.
I hope the OT board continues too.
But I think it is on thin ice.

So maybe someone should post some links to OT boards that have no rules?
Perhaps that would provide the outlet some here require.

It would be entertaining to see some examples of poorly managed "yo mamma" OT boards too.:D

do a google...you'll find plenty of nutso OT forums. And a few totally insane ones like this:

http://www.vidiars.com/x-static/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51

I got banned from that forum after 2 posts...I asked a question and the guy went ballistic. In fact, my IP is blocked so I can't even read it now.

Denis is on the right track. This is a community. Pelican is special becuase they a) are a well run mail order business and b) provide this forum for this community to exist. While b) maybe isn't a necessity, I'd argue that it is more help than hindrance. But if Wayne decides otherwise, it's his house.

Now, can someone fix this tap? We're getting nothing but foam...

I don't wonder at all. They're not as enlightened as Wayne. SmileWavy

Exactly. Where in the world did the correlation between sales and off topic forums and the overly sensative come from? Is this even substantiated?

If it's not fact, then why make the implication?

I'll tell you what this is all about. I've had a few converstions with Wayne in private. He doesn't like the boat rocked. Plain and simple. He doesn't do problems. Somebody emails him about something offensive, it becomes a problem. Wayne's solution is usually the quickest one.

I'm a lot like that myself, so I have a little insight.

I don't think Wayne implied that this would effect sales. I don't think he implied that there was a liability. If he did, I missed one or both of those. What he more than implied was that he wasn't going to take any more crap from any of us if we couldn't behave. While I might disagree, that's the situation here.

I missed most of the subject thread, but as I gather, name calling is out. Was it ever appropriate? No.

I hear what you're saying, and I understand Wayne's position somewhat. My main problem is that I do not really know what occured in the end of that thread, so I am assuming that the political stuff insensed someone and he killed it, which is of course his perrogative. Just not a good precedent, IMO.

When I left the thread, (which I had started), it was jousting between several well-established members, including a moderator, and maybe I'm nuts but I thought that we were having some fun. The level of civility on this site is mind-boggling compared to elsewhere on the web, it truly is an outstanding BBS and this reflects directly on Pelican and Wayne and Tom, IMO.

Name-calling is against policy and I wondered at first if my calling Noah an "ignorant slut" killed the thread. I should state that I have met Noah in the real world and like him a lot. I also give him more than ample credit for smarts and sense of humor, plus a fluency in pop culture that would recognise an old "SNL" joke. Maybe someone else took it wrong?? :confused:

The bottom line is that we are big boys around here, the OT forum is not for the thin-skinned or dim-witted, but for the rest of us it is (was) a lot of fun. I think that a permanent sticky warning the overly sensitive away from here would do wonders:

"The views expressed here do not constitute any position by Pelican Parts, in fact we at P.P. do not even read this section, etc..." :D :cool:

so, may we therefore assume that we constitute... umm... 20% of your business?? :D

(edit: was writing the above just as Wayne wrote his second post) for what it's worth Wayne, I don't think anyone realized that the person-in-question actually went so far as to make threats to your livelihood. for that I apologize (as I can only speak for myself). I guess some folks just have a tendency to take things a bit too serious. on that note, perhaps this can finally be the end of it. I guess at this point, having learned what really prompted you to delete the post, I'd have a few choice words for the person in question. however, airing them now probably would only exacerbate the situation and that's the last thing I - or anyone else - would want. time to let this one die

sooo, how's your house, tabs? :D

I think:

There should be a new forum called "Political" where all the brilliant minds, political experts and opinionated mechanics of this BBS can go each other toe to toe all night long.

I'm still amazed that some one would be petty enough to bother sending Wayne an abusive email. It reminds me of some little schoolkid running to the teacher about what the big kids do after school. http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/shake.gif

Whoever you are, Mr. "Mystery Mental Weakling", I hope you're proud of yourself... :rolleyes:

Great. Another example of some mental midget with a raw nerve taking umbrage at a perceived or actual slight, getting upset and and ruining the picnic for everyone else.

"They hurt my feelings....I'm gonna sue you if you don't do something about that...." WAHHHHHHH. What ever happened to self governance and accountability? Wait a minute...Oh yeah, I forgot...sorry.

My 2 1/2 year old acts more maturely than that.

I support you Wayne, you did the right thing. As sucky as it may seem. Please don't ixnay the OT forum, it's too much fun. I promise to play nice with the folks whose brains are capable of little more than autonomic functions. Well, not TOO nice.....

:D :D :D :D

I guess Hillary Clinton is a Pelican member. Other than that, I don't recall anyone else who was "defamed" on the Bush TV thread.

I like the term "counter-sue." Offense mixed with defense. The term has worked wonders for me.

Last I remember of the thread was M. Hendrix called me a few choice names and went off on some long racist rant about arabs.

In return I called him a racist moron.

If I was a betting man Hendrix is my main suspect. The few posts he contributed indicated a vitriolic temper and a disdain for opposing opinions.

The above represents the opinions and guesses of a porshephile and not the management, so either right or wrong I urge all readers to not go threatening the owner of this board with a defamation lawsuit due to its contents :rolleyes:

You don't? Good gawd man, you need to get a life! This is one of the major questions of our age. Denis and myself are working on a theory that evil is contained in the pinky toe...thus a very simple measurement can predict evil tendencies, and save the world from much strife. We are currently working through our pinky-toe-removal studies conducted in an unnamed 4th world country. Damn US government mumbled something about "torture" and "inhumane." Just another example of the man keeping us down...