Najaf
 

It appears as though all of the rats have retreated to the imam ali mosque. If they refuse to come out, should we risk American lives & assault the building or blow it to smithereens.http://www.sacredcowburgers.com/paro...n_unveiled.jpg

It looks like John Swift Boat Kerry is guarding the doors of the holy mosque





G

I don't think we'll risk American lives by blowing it apart. That could probably be done with a small platoon or a couple good airstrikes. The broader implication is the holiness of the mosque - said to be the second holiest Islamic site on earth. Non-Islamics can't even enter it.

So that's where we have to be careful IMO.

Use the same gas the Russians used in that theater a couple of years back. If they black out, fine, if they die...so what?

No problemo there, just surround it, cut off all food, water, elelctricity and telephone service to the mosque. Surround it with loudspeakers blaring the Bay City Rollers or (fill in your own obnoxious racket) and wait.

I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1092341981.jpg

Isn't that how they finally got Noriega, except the song was "I Fought The Law and the Law Won?" by The Clash.

Ya'll may have missed it but these guys are prone to shoot at us & if we back up far enough, they'll get away.

The gas the Russians used was a morphine derivative. That's not a bad idea.

I understand that if an actual attack on the temple or cemetary takes place, it will be the Iraqi Army, not us who will do so.

Good, the gas has nothing to do with pigs/swine...............we don't need a uprising.;)

I think we already have one. Hmmmmm, the sausage gas vapor bomb, now there's an idea!

Non-destructive assaults are so much fun. :) We should just lob pigs at it for a while. Woohoo!

(ahem) In all seriousness, according to the Gentlemen's Laws Of Civilized Warfare, hiding in a religious building, shooting from a religious building, and using a religious building for a military base all invalidate the "holiness" of that religious building. If somebody parks their tank in the front courtyard of a mosque, and my helo-fired-rocket does damage to the mosque collateral to destroying the tank, that's considered acceptable. If I have to invade a mosque to suppress fire from within, that's considered technically acceptable.

OTOH, the Arab world would be in an uproar. Al Jazeera would claim that the evil blood-thirsty infidels violated the holiest mosque of the holy (may his name be blessed) Muhammed and that our blood should run in the streets. Then the mush-heads of the general American populous would quietly believe these things, as many of our news outlets seem to mostly paraphrase Al Jazeera, and would be upset about what we had done.

So it's a lose lose situation. You leave the rebels there, they cause nasty problems. You go in and get them, your own people rebel against you. Bummer.

Dan

From the NYT:
"TEHRAN, Aug. 12 - The American military's advance into the holy city of Najaf in Iraq to crush a Shiite rebel uprising aroused anger and frustration on Thursday among Shiite Muslims abroad. Many blamed the United States for what they described as an intentional and brutal humiliation by an occupying force that would provoke outrage if any holy shrines were destroyed."

(sigh) Like I said, lose-lose.

Dan

I picked up this link from yahoo News, who's keeping score?

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm

The bottom line is this: If we got each one of them a college education, a new Mercedes & a bl0w job, they would still hate us. So what's the big whoop? Two words: overwhelming force!

What's your point, Kach? What do you suggest we do to resolve the situation in Najaf?

Dan

So you think they will hate Americans regardless, then why even be there? Why build hospitals and schools and roads and power plants? O ya - you want them exterminated.. and a little oil would be a bonus.

Once again Mule, why aren't you cleansing your home town?

Duhh, could it be that they were shooting at our planes every day & were daily violatng the cease fire agreement that Saddaam signed? Plus the fact that saddaam was one of a few people who was willing & able to provide our sworn enemies with chemical & biological weapons. Do you live in a cave?

I'm just trying to understand what you would like to see happen over there, Mule. You think that Muslims will hate and want to kill you under any circumstance. Do you want to see every Muslim on the planet dead?

I don't know what "Muslims" intend to do. But I do know that a sustantial number of Muslims believe that the world would be a better place if I (and you too) were dead.

Wrong on both counts. Have you been listening to Faux News in your bunker?

And the way to alleviate this problem is overwhelming force and nothing else? Schools and hospitals and a mercedes won't do anything? C'mon man.

I know there's extremists that want to kill infidels(just like there's so called 'Christians' that have wanted Arabs dead for centuries), but the vast majority of Muslims and Christians want what everyone else wants - peace and the means to make daily life something other than a struggle for survival.

I just get a little frustrated with the "overwhelming force" concept that the western extremists use. It has never and will never work.

Go do some reading guys. Both of you are so clueless that I don't have enough time to bring you up to speed.

Done lots.. I know quite a few devout Muslims.. none want me dead.. I know a girl that teaches at a private Muslim school - they love her.. great kids, very respectful..

Teach me, Mule.

Pick up a copy of Sword of the Prophet by Serge Trifkovic. Let me know what you think.

Ok I will, and you read about the Crusades.

all kidding aside, it's too bad our military is over in Iraq securing Najaf instead of the borders of this nation.

Wow, and you are calling other people clueless.

I guess if you were a german in the 30s you would be telling us to read the 'protocols of zion' so we could learn more about the international jewish conspiracy.

Congradulations of being the dupe of 21st century fascism.

Funny, I thought that the military was specifically prohibited from acting as a domestic police force. But hey, you're the Pelican Left Wing Yap Dog, so you must be correct.

i know i'm correct, that's the one thing you're right about.

we have an illegal immigration problem here in the US and the military should most definitely be involved in securing our borders.

Yes I agree, sounds great! How about military checkpoints in major US cities, too, y'know, for "ID check" purposes...

:rolleyes:

The military is authorized to protect our borders. I would rather have them keeping illegal aliens out of the country instead of killing iraqis.

They are NOT authorized to police our borders, however- there's a definite distinction between protect and police.

But I'll agree with you on this point - illegal immigration is an issue and has not been well-addressed by ANY administration in my recollection.

1. Get the Press out, especially the Al Jezera (trouble makers).

2. Send in the expermental toys Rummy is just dieing to try out.

3. Send in the garbage trucks (to hold the dead) and haz-mat guys to clean up the kill zone.

Read this:

Iraq Evicts Reporters From Najaf
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=3&u=/ap/20040815/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_media_evicted
The order would mean that the only news coverage of the ongoing violence in Najaf, one of the most revered cities to Shiite Muslims, would be provided by reporters embedded with the U.S. military.

Well, so much for the right wingers excuse that we are bringing freedom to iraq and freeing them from tyranny.

No, no, no.........that is is this article:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/081004X.shtml
According to Southall and other soldiers, the guardsmen began by separating the prisoners from the Iraqi policemen.

Some of the detainees said they had been held for three days with little water and no food. "Many of these prisoners had bruises and cuts and belt or hose marks all over," Southall said. At least one had a gunshot wound to the knee.

"I witnessed prisoners who were barely able to walk," Southall said.

two words: neutron bomb.

Did you mean "the LAST two words";)

depends where you're standing :p

350, so you equate Sword of the Prophet with Protocals of the elders of Zion. Surely I must have mis-understood?